very light trigger vs KC roll

I suspect I may have stumbled into why there is a higher trigger pull requirement for 45 in BE.
I took my LB 1911 with the  KC roll trigger and My CZ 97 with Cajun Gun Works mods to the range
Shooting one handed from ten yards at the 50ft slow fire target, the CZ, which has a very light
trigger, was much easier to shoot than the LB, although the LB is much improved from before.
When I was watching the dot wobble, I could almost not pull the trigger and the shot would break
on the CZ, whereas the LB required a build in pull before break.
One hand shooting requires a lot of rest between mags, and of course is much worse than my 
previous two hand stuff.  The black on the target is 4 inches, and I was able to keep 80%  in
the black with the CZ, not with the Baer.
Is the light trigger illegal in matches?

3.5# for CMP/NRA matches for .45acp

Ok, I understand the 3.5#, is there a history of outlawing  a lighter pull for
some reason or other? 22 does not have 3.5#, at least any I have seen. They 
are more like what I was describing.

IIRC, the rationale for the 3.5 pound pull was to prevent doubles and triples when shooting a 1911.

Wobbly, the unspoken question in my post is: will I screw up technique by using a light trigger so that I won't be able progress when time comes to shooting a
3.5#?  My efforts are aimed at getting up to a decent level, and per your recommendation, I shot everything freehand yesterday, and did pretty good.
The best was from the light trigger.

Provided the trigger is consistent, there shouldn’t be a decrease in shoot ability with a heavier trigger within reason.

I disagree, your better off using the legal weight. If training do as required in a match so when shooting a match it will be an extension of your training. Most of the top shooters try to keep everything the same that is why many top shooters are using the .22 conversion. Others are using the grip modification so as to be the same as the 1911. Adam when shooting for the AMU had a 208 that looked like a 1911 at quick glance and it had 3.5lb trigger. Another reason most top shooters use the 1911 with 3.5lb trigger in center fire match, simply keep the gun the same. Some time ago an AMU armorer worked on a .32 that would shoot nearly one hole groups, quite a few tried it thinking it would improve their Agg. score. It didn't, CF scores went up slightly but .45 went down more than was gained by using the .32! Currently Adam has a few high end .22s, Standard 208, 215 modified with 1911 grips and others but is using a Nelson conversion with 3.5lb trigger. Going to a local 1800 or 2700 and shooting a .22 with 2lb trigger then switching to a 1911 with 3.5lb trigger will start you thinking about the trigger, more you think about it the heavier it gets!

3.5# doesn’t always equal 3.5#
Huge difference between good trigger and great trigger pull. Both can hold the same 3.5# NRA weight, but one will break faster and feel lighter.
I’ve done quite a few trigger jobs this year and guns owners were surprised that trigger pulls were legal. There’s a huge difference. HM will choose a great trigger and average shooting pistol over a poor trigger extremely accurate pistol. Trigger is extremely important!
Jon

Jon, I think smooth flat triggers influence the "feel" of a trigger pull
vs the ridged ones commonly found in off the shelf pistols. Does that
make sense?

L. Boscoe wrote:Jon, I think smooth flat triggers influence the "feel" of a trigger pull
vs the ridged ones commonly found in off the shelf pistols. Does that
make sense?

One reason smoothies are used in most PPC revolvers.

Switching up from a 2# 22 to CF anything is always a challenge; the trigger weight and feel is different, the grip shape and angle are different etc. You just taught your brain how to use the 22 and now it won't go off. You're confused and hesitant. Dry fire between courses is critical. Oh and smooth revolver triggers let your finger slide in double action. Best

Too light of a trigger in .45 is just plain dangerous. Most indoor gun ranges have holes in the roof to prove that.  

Try practicing for a week, dry-firing with a 4# service pistol trigger, then go back and try your 3.5# Bullseye trigger?  It will feel quite differently easy. 

I agree with Jon E, the quality of the trigger is where the differences count.  Last year we took a S&W Revolver built for one of their VPs (Jim Chapman knows this pistol) to the Marine Armorer at Camp Perry to see if he could make another on a different pistol.  He called at least 10 of his buddies to come and try the "immaculate trigger".  It picked up 2.5# easily, but feels like 500 grams.  In sum, a really nice trigger doesn't show its weight, and a really nice trigger that is legal will actually HELP you shoot better (trigger weight is your friend, believe it or not).  And, if you read Bruce Martindale's excellent book (everyone should) and squirt the clown, you will find even a crappy trigger can be learned and perfected. After 5 years shooting Bullseye I would say there is absolutely nothing that dry firing cannot fix or help overcome, including even a lousy trigger.  Read Bruce's very fine book. All the secrets are in there - you just have to learn to interpret the words and practice your trigger.  Make the weight work FOR you.

croesler wrote:"………..you will find even a crappy trigger can be learned……….”

Eureka!! Cliff, Now you sound like me preaching…..
But true.

Tony, no one sounds like you!! We miss your voice on the range box.

Jim

jchurch wrote:Tony, no one sounds like you!! We miss your voice on the range box.

Jim

Those exotic accents are hard to come by……
Hope you are doing well, Jim! You guys need to come out West for a visit.