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Post by brand-new 8/22/2024, 6:07 pm

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Hi, not sure why exactly but i've been thinking about building a ppc type revolver.  I struggle physically due to a rather debilitating injury so i won't be competing....it's just for fun. I only shoot paper, hopefully nice little groups.....Such a project i hope will afford me a project, something to keep my mind busy and  I like the way the ppc revolvers look. I know some might find it perhaps silly. 

Budget is a realistic concern but i want to try to keep it under $600 or $700 if at all possible. Here in California we get hit with $100 transfer fee and of course tax so i've got to keep a close watch on things....I thought perhaps i might be able to find a suitable C&R revolver and a good quality used take off or a new old stock barrel blank.

Wondering if there were any specific models of revolver that you might recommend for me to search for....and where one might find good quality take-off parts. 

I have a very talented and very wonderful friend who has a professional lathe who can help me.

thank you.

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Post by Grifo 9/5/2024, 7:44 pm

There are a number of sellers on Gunbroker with the word "Gunbusters" in their name. I think they are franchises, the contract with police departments to take all the confiscated firearms that are required to be destroyed, shred the receivers, then package and sell all the rest as "parts kits". (the bodysnatchers of the gun world).

Model 10 parts kits come up regularly. Here's a couple of current examples.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1064545941

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1062671680

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Post by Bullseye Smith 9/17/2024, 9:17 pm

Grifo wrote:Since nobody ever remembers what PPC is, you can find them on Gunbroker or auctions for less than a decent unmodified model of the same gun. Not many people bid on them. I lucked out these, each one was well within your budget range. They are a lot of fun to shoot, but be aware that they are heavy. The upper one, a S&W model 18, .22lr, was claimed by the seller to be the work of Travis Strahan, but it isn't signed, so I can't be sure of that. (priced right, so I bought the gun, not the story). It weighs over 62 ounces. Below it is a 10-5 .38 special built by Walt Sherman of Tallahassee, FL, and it weighs 56 ounces.
Both sport the Mascot 1 sight that Travis Strahan made.

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       Travis used a coil spring for the main for a lite trigger pull. Plus he used a "N" frame hammer nose for a longer firing pin (it had to be cut down to fit the hammer of the "k" frame. My second dad told me, he bought four guns off him. We went to alot of matches, in and out of WV. He when to Smith & Wesson school and showed me alot on how to work on a S&W Revolvers. I tried auto's and don't care for them, the ones everyone likes is tupper ware, cheap. After PPC I moved to Bullseye with revolvers, 617, 32 long, 25 in 45acp. I shoot only double action, the 32 was the first gun that I built. I call it a 10-32, Model 10 frame with a 32mag cylinder and a 32 mag barrel. The rounds had less recoil than the 22lr. I built a PPC to shoot pens with and used a model 10 frame, 64 cylinder, trigger and hammer, I worked on it till I got it down to four pounds Double Action. It has a Douglas 1" barrel, and Bo-Mar sight. Everyone is different, on what they like. Everyone be safe out there.

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Post by brand-new 9/17/2024, 9:26 pm

thank you, great options. if i find the right platform it might be a great way to find a barrel and other requisite parts.

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Post by Grifo 9/17/2024, 9:36 pm

Bullseye Smith wrote:       Travis used a coil spring for the main for a lite trigger pull. Plus he used a "N" frame hammer nose for a longer firing pin (it had to be cut down to fit the hammer of the "k" frame. My second dad told me, he bought four guns off him. We went to alot of matches, in and out of WV. He when to Smith & Wesson school and showed me alot on how to work on a S&W Revolvers. I tried auto's and don't care for them, the ones everyone likes is tupper ware, cheap. After PPC I moved to Bullseye with revolvers, 617, 32 long, 25 in 45acp. I shoot only double action, the 32 was the first gun that I built. I call it a 10-32, Model 10 frame with a 32mag cylinder and a 32 mag barrel. The rounds had less recoil than the 22lr. I built a PPC to shoot pens with and used a model 10 frame, 64 cylinder, trigger and hammer, I worked on it till I got it down to four pounds Double Action. It has a Douglas 1" barrel, and Bo-Mar sight. Everyone is different, on what they like. Everyone be safe out there.
Mine has the standard factory spring, not a coil spring. Might not actually be Strahan's work. Do you know if his family has any records, or any way I can confirm whether or not it came out of his shop?
Just curious, I'd love to know it's history, but whatever, it's a wonderful gun with a fantastic trigger. Although it's too heavy for one hand bullseye shooting...

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Post by Bullseye Smith 9/19/2024, 7:09 pm

Grifo wrote:
Bullseye Smith wrote:       Travis used a coil spring for the main for a lite trigger pull. Plus he used a "N" frame hammer nose for a longer firing pin (it had to be cut down to fit the hammer of the "k" frame. My second dad told me, he bought four guns off him. We went to alot of matches, in and out of WV. He when to Smith & Wesson school and showed me alot on how to work on a S&W Revolvers. I tried auto's and don't care for them, the ones everyone likes is tupper ware, cheap. After PPC I moved to Bullseye with revolvers, 617, 32 long, 25 in 45acp. I shoot only double action, the 32 was the first gun that I built. I call it a 10-32, Model 10 frame with a 32mag cylinder and a 32 mag barrel. The rounds had less recoil than the 22lr. I built a PPC to shoot pens with and used a model 10 frame, 64 cylinder, trigger and hammer, I worked on it till I got it down to four pounds Double Action. It has a Douglas 1" barrel, and Bo-Mar sight. Everyone is different, on what they like. Everyone be safe out there.
Mine has the standard factory spring, not a coil spring. Might not actually be Strahan's work. Do you know if his family has any records, or any way I can confirm whether or not it came out of his shop?
Just curious, I'd love to know it's history, but whatever, it's a wonderful gun with a fantastic trigger. Although it's too heavy for one hand bullseye shooting...
He built alot of guns, Don't know about the records, His first guns didn't have the coil spring, he started putting his name on it when when he changed the design.

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Post by mattri 9/22/2024, 11:18 pm

Great thread, will be watching to see how this goes.

brand-new, it sounds like we're in similar spots. I just picked up a S&W model 15 for a very similar build.

Best of luck and please keep us posted on how it progresses!

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Post by brand-new 9/23/2024, 12:50 am

Will do
Congratulations on the model 15
I think I’m going to try and focus my efforts on a larger frame if I can find a suitable platform

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Post by james r chapman 9/23/2024, 5:56 am

Lots of l- frames used now, not much N, to much cylinder mass to control DA.
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Post by brand-new 9/23/2024, 11:21 am

Interesting point to consider, thank you for pointing that out.

The reason I had hoped for a larger frame platform derives from my (limited) experience with the SW 686. That revolver always felt a bit too small for my hands. I went out and purchased a number of different grips, even the oversized Hogue rubber grip.... and while it helped, it still felt a bit smaller than i would like in my hand. Without the oversized grip my knuckles would hit the trigger guard.

I wonder if judicious milling of the cylinder might help offset some of the disadvantage resulting from a heavy cylinder. I can only shoot mild loads as my spine injury will not allow stouter loads.

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Post by Boxturtle 10/1/2024, 2:27 pm

brand-new wrote:thank you, will look up those models as well as the sight feature that you've noted.I sure appreciate the help.

See here:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1067106696

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Post by brand-new 10/1/2024, 3:04 pm

thank you for posting that ad. It looks amazing.

I'm trying to learn all the nuances and legalities of California, they can be tough to follow and they seem to change with some regularity.  

Unfortunately here most citizens are restricted to either some new models that are also on an approved (safe?) list, or as noted above, exist on an olympic exemption list from a number of year ago.... or are models that are 50 years old (C&R). 

I believe that i read that there are exemptionsfor some types of FFLs, maybe those who make/design/build guns? and for Law enforcement. 

For the most part based on funds, availability and legality i'm pretty much relegated to C&R.  

I do appreciate you're effort, that was really nice of you.

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Post by Allgoodhits 10/3/2024, 9:10 am

Grifo wrote:Since nobody ever remembers what PPC is, you can find them on Gunbroker or auctions for less than a decent unmodified model of the same gun. Not many people bid on them. I lucked out these, each one was well within your budget range. They are a lot of fun to shoot, but be aware that they are heavy. The upper one, a S&W model 18, .22lr, was claimed by the seller to be the work of Travis Strahan, but it isn't signed, so I can't be sure of that. (priced right, so I bought the gun, not the story). It weighs over 62 ounces. Below it is a 10-5 .38 special built by Walt Sherman of Tallahassee, FL, and it weighs 56 ounces.
Both sport the Mascot 1 sight that Travis Strahan made.

I cannot tell from the picture, but one of those ribs may be the Mascot II. I don't recall which, but one had the alligator type sight top the other was conventional plane. For those unfamiliar with the rib, the front and rear sight were fixed yet adjustable. The rear blade did not move up/down, side to side on its' own. The entire upper portion of the rib would elevate or lower or toggle left or right. Interesting concept, was not received in masses.  Also, I would add that some of Strahan's guns featured his coil main spring conversion. Strahan offered a coil mainspring upgrade, but was not a requirement for his builds. I was fortunate to have known both Sherman and Strahan. Strahan was in GA.

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Post by brand-new 10/3/2024, 10:08 am

i really enjoy learning about the evolution of the platforms used in the sport...fascinating, thank you

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Post by Boxturtle 10/4/2024, 7:18 am

Just spotted another one:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1068834466

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Grifo wrote:I cannot tell from the picture, but one of those ribs may be the Mascot II. I don't recall which, but one had the alligator type sight top the other was conventional plane. For those unfamiliar with the rib, the front and rear sight were fixed yet adjustable.

Both are stamped "Mascot 1". One of them appears to have had the alligator rib carefully machined off. Odd things happen to guns over the decades, without documentation. No

Also, the one that is intact has the same type of screw (that you can turn with a penny) to adjust windage and elevation. The modified one has a 1" diameter dial for elevation.

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Post by brand-new 10/4/2024, 11:42 am

Boxturtle (love that name by the way)
thank you for the listing....wish me luck

I would prefer a larger frame if possible but this one sure looks like it offers a lot of potential.

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Post by inthebeech 10/4/2024, 4:30 pm

Doesn't S&W now make an N frame 9mm revolver with a titanium cylinder.  Larger frame like you're wanting and the Ti cylinder for fast (PPC) DA pull.  You'd have to check to see if it is already cut for moon clips or if not, does TK Custom work on this cylinder.
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Post by brand-new 10/4/2024, 6:41 pm

thanks...wasn't familiar with that as i had been focusing on 38 special, C&R options....i'll do a search just now.

I found the model, it's called the 929. Let me ask my FFL to get an idea on what they would cost in California.

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