Pardini in conjunction with CCI to develop new ammo

l Got a email from Pardini USA that said that they were working in conjunction with CCI to develop a new ammo.  

Also saw a thread on rimfire central which prompted me to post here.  

It would be nice if they could improve CCI Standard Velocity such that there were no duds or low power rounds.  

Despite the occasional dud and low power, I still primarily use CCI Standard Velocity because the price is half of suitable although better alternatives. 

Also would be nice for those Pardini Shooters that have the newer Pardini pistols where CCI Standard Velocity is too long for the magazine. 

I got on the mailing list for Pardini USA for updates and notifications. 

Regards, 
Crankster

Maybe it will be a slightly shorter overall length to work in the newer Pardini magazines.

Will it replace the Eley Bullseye offering from Pardini?

Probably wouldn't just be a length adjustment, but a few more FPS to compensate for that short Pardini barrel. I'm shooting through 2 cases of the old CCI stuff now, been really nice.

Dave

Dcforman wrote:Probably wouldn't just be a length adjustment, but a few more FPS to compensate for that short Pardini barrel. I'm shooting through 2 cases of the old CCI stuff now, been really nice.

Dave

Yes, old dark blue was good stuff.

It needs to have the length adjustment, just doesn't feed reliably in my newer SP.    Norma TAC 22 works flawlessly (not the subsonic) and is reasonably priced.

CCI needs to make the rim thinner similar to the European ammo. It would work a lot better and have less miss fires or DUDS since the thick rim doesn't allow my 208 to go into full battery and fires on a open bolt which causes a miss fire. Yeah I could have the bolt refaced to accommodate the CCI rim but then maybe the Euro ammo wouldn't work as well. 
Too many IFs.

I used to shoot CCI Pistol Match .22 ammo in my Hammerli 208s in matches. I got sub 1" ten shot groups at 50 yards from a machine rest. It was very reliable ammo, too. I found that if I wanted match quality .22 ammo, that I'd have to pay up for it. That being said, Pardinis maybe don't like CCI ammo, even Pistol Match.

That's an interesting development with that collaboration.  Surely they will need to make it shorter since like others I found CCI SV too long and wanting to hang up in the mags. My fix has been to modify my mags so it will fit - since I had too much in my inventory to change brands.  I just took the mags apart and with a very small round file worked down the front rounded bullet side edge of the mag of it so it would slide freely up and down then polish that surface with successively finer sand paper. I have some mags that don't need it and some that do so it seems a combination of variation in both the ammo and the mags that cause the hang ups.  After the mods it cycles great and seems to shoot well enough for my indoor league and practice purposes.

Sounds like a gun desgn defect…manufacturers should consider the range of ammo available in the various markets that they serve.

bruce martindale wrote:Sounds like a gun desgn defect…manufacturers should consider the range of ammo available in the various markets that they serve.

If you are driving a twin turbo Lamborgini, are you going to run a premium fuel or the cheapest stuff you can find? A Pardini is a premium option, it should not be a surprise that a high end target gun has a strong preference of more tailored ammo.

Ah yes, but then there was Aguila Super Extra Standard Velocity - AgSEx for short - which, generally, runs perfectly in a Ferrari or a Lamborghini (Pardini or MG2 - have driven both 🥰). But, it is from Mexico and used British Eley technology. Now there's a marriage that was not blessed in heaven!

In Olympic Rapid Fire, what preference ammo was shot in those Pardini’s?

james r chapman wrote:In Olympic Rapid Fire, what preference ammo was shot in those Pardini’s?

Blazer.......

james r chapman wrote:In Olympic Rapid Fire, what preference ammo was shot in those Pardini’s?

Rapid fire guns are different than those typically seen in the bullseye crowd.

Would be nice. 

Better Lube, Better case Lube and better primers should do the job. 

Eley Bullseye and SK Semi Auto Rifle groups about 1 inch better at 25 yards as compared to CCI.  

Failure rate of new CCi is totally unacceptable these days. I have a lot I got from the CMP and I had at least 50 dudes per brick and I am not picky, and they were all decent strikes. My go to ammo is now Eley Target or Eley Bullseye followed by SK Semi Auto Rifle. 

I get nice groups from the ELEY and SK when I am doing by job, Aquilla groups a little worse but is good and the new stuff has shot just as good as the SK. CCi I am lucky if I can hold the 10 SF ring and every recoil impulse feels different. 

Both with the CCI and Aguila I get decent results buy putting 100 rounds in a flat plastic take away food try, putting 4 to 8 drops of CLP over the bullets and mixing them around until evenly coated and then dabbing down the excess with a micro fiber cloth. 

That seems to soften up the dry waxy lube on the side of the case that I think are responsible for some of the dudes. With CCI that brings down the dudes by about 40% and with Aguila by about 90%.

chiz1180 wrote:

james r chapman wrote:In Olympic Rapid Fire, what preference ammo was shot in those Pardini’s?

Rapid fire guns are different than those typically seen in the bullseye crowd.

I guess I’ll buy a couple lots of that ammo then! 

james r chapman wrote:In Olympic Rapid Fire, what preference ammo was shot in those Pardini’s?

You can't afford it!

chiz1180 wrote:

james r chapman wrote:In Olympic Rapid Fire, what preference ammo was shot in those Pardini’s?

Rapid fire guns are different than those typically seen in the bullseye crowd.

Not really that much since 2005.

Different configurations, certainly. I don't shoot my Pardini SP RF for Bullseye, but I could.

I am fortunate enough to have different guns for different disciplines, so I do so. Others may differ.

john bickar wrote:

chiz1180 wrote:

james r chapman wrote:In Olympic Rapid Fire, what preference ammo was shot in those Pardini’s?

Rapid fire guns are different than those typically seen in the bullseye crowd.

Not really that much since 2005.

Different configurations, certainly. I don't shoot my Pardini SP RF for Bullseye, but I could.

I am fortunate enough to have different guns for different disciplines, so I do so. Others may differ.

If I may offer a different perspective, could you shoot a “bulllseye 22” such as say a 1911 conversion, ruger mk, smith 17 revolver, ect. in olympic rapid and be competitive?

The handful of people that I know that shoot/have shot rapid and bullseye have dedicated rapid fire guns, I would assume for good reason. That said my experience in that particular game is especially not existent, with my only excursion into the international stuff being air.

Just for fun I measured an old lot of CCI Standard and found the brass diameter is .001" smaller than the newer lots I have.

Anyone else do this?

Wes Lorenz wrote:Just for fun I measured an old lot of CCI Standard and found the brass diameter is .001" smaller than the newer lots I have.

Anyone else do this?

Did you happen to measure the roundness of the samples?

Just an anecdotal thing, but a friend recently purchased a Pardini RF (the new green ones), and it was keyholing at 50 yards. I would imagine the chamber is very different, and lock time is significantly decreased. So would probably require much different ammo (more expensive/consistent?) than we are looking for...

Dave

Dcforman wrote:Just an anecdotal thing, but a friend recently purchased a Pardini RF (the new green ones), and it was keyholing at 50 yards. I would imagine the chamber is very different, and lock time is significantly decreased. So would probably require much different ammo (more expensive/consistent?) than we are looking for...

Dave

I did witness the keyholing from that gun at 50. If my understanding is correct, the bolt is also lighter.  My take away is that it is optimized for rapid, otherwise why have two models.

If nothing else it would be enough if CCI created a catalog item That anyone could buy and purchase.  Call it “CCI Bullseye Pistol” if we need a name, and I’d be willing to pay a small premium over CCI SV.

chiz1180 wrote:

john bickar wrote:

chiz1180 wrote:

james r chapman wrote:In Olympic Rapid Fire, what preference ammo was shot in those Pardini’s?

Rapid fire guns are different than those typically seen in the bullseye crowd.

Not really that much since 2005.

Different configurations, certainly. I don't shoot my Pardini SP RF for Bullseye, but I could.

I am fortunate enough to have different guns for different disciplines, so I do so. Others may differ.

If I may offer a different perspective, could you shoot a “bulllseye 22” such as say a 1911 conversion, ruger mk, smith 17 revolver, ect. in olympic rapid and be competitive?

The handful of people that I know that shoot/have shot rapid and bullseye have dedicated rapid fire guns, I would assume for good reason. That said my experience in that particular game is especially not existent, with my only excursion into the international stuff being air.

I think it would be tough to break 540 with one of those guns. Could be a fun lark, though.