New to Bullseye Competition

Hello, I've shot action matches, but Bullseye is a new world for me.  I have been practicing the three stages and this has been a very peaceful and calm pursuit - I'm all in.  I am sorting my firearms out and I have some questions my research hasn't answered, I would appreciate your help in this.  I am planning on shooting my first match this spring.  My goals going in are max gun handling safety, aim for the black, and enjoy the competition.

1. Is it within the rules to paint the face of a front sight white?  I'd like to shoot irons in 45acp with my 625, but an optic would not be a problem.

2. Is it Bullseye legal to remove a revolver's exterior key hammer lock (Hillary Hole) and replace it with a blank/plug?

3.  Is removing the mechanism that locks the trigger on a Ruger Mark lV when the gun is cocked and the mag has been removed from the frame allowed?       

Thanks

Offhand I would say that all three of your points are permissible, but at some point you're going to want to read through this.

http://www.rulebooks.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/Pistol/pistol-book.pdf

From rule 3.4 "All operational safety features of firearms must function properly."

I would second reading the NRA and/or CMP pistol rules. I think your 1st and 3rd question would be no problem at all. Question 2 I would reach out to the sanctioning organization for the match you are participating. If you are just looking to compete at a local level, talk to the people running the match.

BE Mike wrote:From rule 3.4 "All operational safety features of firearms must function properly."

yet magazine safeties have been removed for years…

Exactly.

So, surprisingly, I just reread the most current CMP rules. The ONLY rules referring to operational safeties is specifically for service pistol, and even that says magazine safeties may be disabled:

"Safety Features. All standard safety features must remain in place and operate as designed, except that magazine safeties may be disabled."

This rule is not listed under match pistol or 22 EIC rules. It's not listed for service revolver, either, but essentially no modifications are allowed, other than to the action. Not that they have magazines...

Dave

IMO, the “Hillary safety” on Smith revolvers is a storage safety, not operational safety.

BE Mike wrote:From rule 3.4 "All operational safety features of firearms must function properly."

On a revolver there is no second safety feature, the Ruger would still have the old-style safety features. He would be safe.

3) The magazine disconnect is removed with most all trigger upgrades in MKIVs (Tandemkross and Volquartsen). Both legal if they meet the 2lb trigger minimum.

Welcome!

1) don’t paint your sight. 

2) that’s a storage lock, not a safety.

3) what they said

chiz1180 wrote:

BE Mike wrote:From rule 3.4 "All operational safety features of firearms must function properly."

yet magazine safeties have been removed for years…

That is because it's not a safety.

kc.crawford.7 wrote:

chiz1180 wrote:

BE Mike wrote:From rule 3.4 "All operational safety features of firearms must function properly."

yet magazine safeties have been removed for years…

That is because it's not a safety.

The argument could be made similarly that a grip safety is not a safety either but in some cases the function of the mechanism is similar. In general however for this sport is conducted, the "safeties" are not actually part of the activity.

As to Grip safetys, If the gun is factory stock the grip safety must work  However if it's a custom gun it's not required. That is as per NRA not sure about CMP. I didn't like grip safety so had a one piece made for my 1911 long slide. Had slide mount scope mount and UltraDot scope. I had it checked by NRA rules committee at Perry and theysaid it was OK to use. It's possible that if a one piece is used it's OK but if a grip safety is prevented from working it may not be allowed.

OK, you made me look up the NRA rules. Under every pistol definition (other than distinguished revolver), the following line is included:

"All operational safety features of the firearm must function properly."

However, under rule 3.1 defining "Operational Safeties", the following is stated:

"Note: For purposes of competition, magazine disconnects and loaded chamber indicators are not considered operational safeties as defined in Rule 3.1."

So I'd say case closed. You can remove the magazine safety per both CMP and NRA rules.

Dave

Not sure where but I think here I read that Series 70 1911 had to have the firing pin block function. I know when it first came out gunsmiths would remove it when doing a trigger job if you gave them a letter requesting them to disable it. Later it was changed to the smith would do the trigger job without the block then put the block back in so that the owner could remove it. Reasoning was that the smith could be liable if gun misfired. Not sure what's done if .22 conversion is put on series 70 frame or a series 70 frame was used with a standard slide. Might be considered a Custom Gun.

Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it...............Jay

That’s the 80 series with the block