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Post by shoot308 on Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:43 pm

Just got access to a Ransom Rest and have been playing around with it. What are typical groups for a stock S&W revolver at 25 yards? An internet search has them all over the place and I would like a baseline to evaluate my pistols.

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Post by Jack H on Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:06 pm

Best 148 HBWC factory ammo K38 groups I ever got were 1.5-2" at 50yds.  Never did 25.  
Best factory DR ammo was 2.5 at best.
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Post by davekp on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:00 am

shoot308 wrote:Just got access to a Ransom Rest and have been playing around with it. What are typical groups for a stock S&W revolver at 25 yards? An internet search has them all over the place and I would like a baseline to evaluate my pistols.

25 yds won't tell you much. Much greater differences at 50 yds.

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Post by Rob Kovach on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:25 am

I have a really long thread on this forum about DR legal ammo--with pictures of the test results--My S&W revolver shoots great 50 yard groups, but only with FACTORY Remington UMC.  The ammo that I would make at home shot very well at 25 yards but was so bad at 50 yards that some of the shots weren't scoring.
https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t2221-distinguished-revolver-loads-that-don-t-suck?

You would have to have an extremely bad gun/ammo combination to have a gun that wont shoot 100s at the 25 yard line.

Like Dave KP said, do the testing at 50--that's where you are going to learn what ammo your gun likes.

My model 14 likes all 148gr HBWCs, but only Factory Remington UMC 158gr LRN.
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Post by HenryA on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:40 am

Buy some known high accuracy factory ammunition and test that in your gun. Most quality factory ammo shoots pretty well in most good guns. Testing 2-3 different factory loads should give you a base line to work from.

What calibers are you working with?

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Post by shoot308 on Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:37 pm

Shooting 38s. Only have 25yds to work with until it warms up. Have my S&W 14 down to 1 1/4 10 shot groups with home made button nosed wad cutters and 1 9/16 with hard cast 158 SWC.

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Post by 243winxb on Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:06 pm

S&W  21 yds  2.5"  for short barrels in 38 cal.    Ransom Rest Groups SWAccuracy
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Post by HenryA on Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:14 pm

shoot308 wrote:Shooting 38s. Only have 25yds to work with until it warms up. Have my S&W 14 down to 1 1/4 10 shot groups with home made button nosed wad cutters and 1 9/16 with hard cast 158 SWC.
If the 1 9/16 158gr. load holds up at 50 you're in pretty good shape.
At that point I'd start trimming cases to identical lengths, inspecting/weighing bullets, trying minor variations in powder charge and different primers. This can get exhausting.

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Post by davekp on Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:32 pm

I got 2- 3/16" at 50 yds with Federal American Eagle 158gr. The best I could get with 158gr Remington bullet  handloads was 4 1/2".

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