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Post by JayhawkNavy02 Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:20 am

Gentleman,

Not sure what the real difference between the Matchdot and Matchdot II is, other than the different reticles. 

I noticed the Matchdot II says " On the Fly BDC", and I have no idea what that mean.s

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Post by mspingeld Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:27 am

The dial behind the brightness adjusts elevation in click stops. I assume BDC stand for bullet drop compensation(?). No tools required. Possibly not a factor with 22 but handy with larger calibers when going from the long line to the short line.

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Post by LenV Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:04 pm

You don't have to remove the cap to adjust the elevation on the II. Very handy for the .45. And the II comes in black and the original is mostly silver.

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Post by Dr.Don Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:36 pm

Agree on the II.  Separate easy to see/change elevation knob on the II makes sight changes from 25 to 50 easy to do, and easy to see which way it is set.
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Post by JayhawkNavy02 Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:48 pm

Based on the great advice I went with the Matchdot Ultradot II, with the 11% coupon code on OpticsPlanet for Black Friday, it worked out to a little over $200 with free shipping and no tax.

http://www.opticsplanet.com/ultradot-matchdot-2-red-dot-sight.html

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Post by ChipEck Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:50 pm

You will be happy with it.

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Post by bdas Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:21 am

OldMaster65 wrote:You don't have to remove the cap to adjust the elevation on the II. Very handy for the .45. And the II comes in black and the original is mostly silver.

Len

In addition to not having to remove the cap to make an adjustment, it also allows you to set it so that your zero is "0".  After you sight it in at your chosen distance, you loosen the screw on top of the elevation adjustment knob.  When that screw is loose, you can rotate the knob without affecting the elevation setting of the red dot inside.  So, what you typically want to do is rotate the knob so that it is set to "0".  Then tighten the screw.  Now you can easily return to that elevation without having to remember which number that was (because it's easy to remember "0"). Convenient, especially when you have more than one.

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Post by DavidR Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:22 am

As good as the aimpoint deal was this is a way better option imo. just ordered mine, great deal thanks
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Post by Magnusbullets Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:15 pm

Been using match dot look at 2-3 years. Great for me. We n both guns

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Post by Buggman Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:51 pm

I have two match dot 2's love them best red dots I have owned
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Post by lablover Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:24 pm

Hmmm, very tempting...Are the rings included and are they any good?  I so want this!
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Post by Schaumannk Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:55 pm

lablover wrote:Hmmm, very tempting...Are the rings included and are they any good?  I so want this!
You are better off buying a cheap pair of horizontal split rings.   I have a drawer full of the original ones, in my gun room.

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Post by Chris Miceli Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:57 pm

I vote for the Leupold PRW 30mm Low rings they just came out this year and are spendy... but very nice.

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Post by JayhawkNavy02 Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:15 pm

lablover wrote:Hmmm, very tempting...Are the rings included and are they any good?  I so want this!

There are some cheap looking scope rings in the box, I'm not going to use them. 

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Post by Schaumannk Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:17 pm

JayhawkNavy02 wrote:
lablover wrote:Hmmm, very tempting...Are the rings included and are they any good?  I so want this!

There are some cheap looking scope rings in the box, I'm not going to use them. 

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Post by Telewreck Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:41 pm

I'm a fan of warne rings. I use them on my 45 and conversion.

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Post by LenV Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:47 pm

I have gravitated towards the Leupold Rifleman rings. They are a step above the Simmons or Redfield I was using. They are light but more than strong enough for Bullseye loads and unlike some of the other less expensive rings out there they keep the scope/dot lined with the bore and the rings set level.

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Post by Dr.Don Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:01 am

I'm going to swim against the current on this one.  I have used the "cheap" vertically split rings that come with Ultradots for many years with zero problems of anything failing, moving, or losing zero.  I have used them on everything from the 1" Ultradot to the 30mm Matchdot II without problem. In a bullseye gun where we try to keep the 25yd loads really light, and yet desire 100% functional reliability, the idea of searching out the lightest possible dot sight to mount on the slide and then adding 2-3 oz of steel rings never made sense to me.  Maybe I've just been lucky, but all 3 of my current bullseye guns use the "cheap" vertically split rings.
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Post by Schaumannk Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:17 am

Dr.Don wrote:I'm going to swim against the current on this one.  I have used the "cheap" vertically split rings that come with Ultradots for many years with zero problems of anything failing, moving, or losing zero.  I have used them on everything from the 1" Ultradot to the 30mm Matchdot II without problem. In a bullseye gun where we try to keep the 25yd loads really light, and yet desire 100% functional reliability, the idea of searching out the lightest possible dot sight to mount on the slide and then adding 2-3 oz of steel rings never made sense to me.  Maybe I've just been lucky, but all 3 of my current bullseye guns use the "cheap" vertically split rings.
You've been lucky, or you don't feel the need to totally take down your guns very often.  The vertically split cheap rings are too flexible, and don't tighten down easily or uniformly.  Every time you take the scope off, and put it back on, you need to re zero the gun.  

In a sport that doesn't allow sighters, this can be a major annoyance. 

If you want great functioning, and a light weight, get a frame mount BUT  Most people find the extra weight helpful in sustained fire, as it dampens recoil.

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Post by Dr.Don Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:14 am

Well, you are right that I don't remove the scopes from my guns very often.  But I would not trust any ring set to return to zero after removal.  I don't care for any of the commercially available frame or grip mounts; I like the feel of the scope on the slide and have shot that way for many years.  I've just decided not to sacrifice the minimal loads for an extra few ounces on the slide.  So far it has worked fine for me.  The weight of opinion in this thread goes the other way, so many of you have apparently had, or fear, problems with the light rings.  I'm fine with that; but I've used them for so many years that I'll stand where I am until I encounter an actual problem of my own.
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Post by LenV Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:34 am

Dr. Don  I agree with you on not adding any more weight to the slide then you need to. I change scopes and rings around a lot. Re-sighting is part of the game and gets me to the range more often (gotta sight the guns dear). I don't like the contortions I seem to have to go thru to get the stock rings mounted. I went with the Leupold Rifleman because they are well made and made of aluminum. They don't weigh any more than the stock ones. Maybe even a little less. I will weigh a set next time I swap out a scope. I just picked up another 1" Ultradot on Ebay so I will be swapping something out soon.

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Post by JayhawkNavy02 Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:11 am

I ordered a frame mount, made out of aluminum with the rings by the same gunsmith.   Very light and the rings look legit.



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Post by Dr.Don Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:31 am

Jayhawk,

That frame mount looks great.  But it also looks like it requires a base to be silver soldered to the frame.  Great idea, but that makes it a custom mount rather than a commercial mount.  I've considered doing that with a 9mm I'm experimenting with, but no decision so far.
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Post by Jerry Keefer Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:42 am

Dave's got it gonna  on..!!! study
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Post by Schaumannk Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:46 am

Dr.Don wrote:Jayhawk,

That frame mount looks great.  But it also looks like it requires a base to be silver soldered to the frame.  Great idea, but that makes it a custom mount rather than a commercial mount.  I've considered doing that with a 9mm I'm experimenting with, but no decision so far.
It is actually screwed to a small plate on the frame.  See the tiny easily removable hex screws?  

And when you take it off, and put it back on, your gun goes right back to zero.

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