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Post by daflorc 4/19/2017, 1:00 pm

CMP Service Pistol Requirements state that:

Pistols may be match conditioned, provided there are no external modifications that are not specifically approved in the rule book.
The trigger pull must be at least 4 pounds, and if a trigger shoe is attached, the trigger weight must be suspended at the centerpoint when checked. 
Extended or vented triggers, trigger shoes, and trigger stops, either external or internal, are allowed. 
Internal modifications to improve functioning and accuracy are allowed. 

My question:

Can I replace the trigger in my EIC 1911 with a flat faced trigger and be within the rules? All my match guns are 1911 platforms, all have the same trigger, the same hammer and weight, the same KC roll setup. I'd like my EIC gun to be as similar to the others as possible, and that involves swapping out the trigger, but I want to make sure that's an allowed modification. It seems to me that if they allow trigger shoes, extended triggers, vented triggers, and internal mods to improve accuracy, then an internally installed flat faced trigger would be allowed as well. Thoughts?

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Post by Lightfoot 4/19/2017, 1:14 pm

While we're asking, would checkering the front strap be allowed?
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Post by daflorc 4/19/2017, 1:37 pm

Lightfoot wrote:While we're asking, would checkering the front strap be allowed?
They allow grip tape, I'm sure they allow checkering too.

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Post by cdrt 4/19/2017, 1:40 pm

Yes, checkering is allowed.
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Post by Chris Miceli 4/19/2017, 1:51 pm

Pdaflorc wrote:CMP Service Pistol Requirements state that:

Pistols may be match conditioned, provided there are no external modifications that are not specifically approved in the rule book.
The trigger pull must be at least 4 pounds, and if a trigger shoe is attached, the trigger weight must be suspended at the centerpoint when checked. 
Extended or vented triggers, trigger shoes, and trigger stops, either external or internal, are allowed. 
Internal modifications to improve functioning and accuracy are allowed. 

My question:

Can I replace the trigger in my EIC 1911 with a flat faced trigger and be within the rules? All my match guns are 1911 platforms, all have the same trigger, the same hammer and weight, the same KC roll setup. I'd like my EIC gun to be as similar to the others as possible, and that involves swapping out the trigger, but I want to make sure that's an allowed modification. It seems to me that if they allow trigger shoes, extended triggers, vented triggers, and internal mods to improve accuracy, then an internally installed flat faced trigger would be allowed as well. Thoughts?

thanks,

Dave
Email cmp for definite answer. They allow frames to have holes from scope mounts but it does not specifically say so in the rule book

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Post by daflorc 4/19/2017, 1:57 pm


Email cmp for definite answer. They allow frames to have holes from scope mounts but it does not specifically say so in the rule book
I'll do that, thanks. 

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Post by ric1911a1 4/19/2017, 4:43 pm

To the original question: Yes and yes.
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Post by daflorc 4/19/2017, 4:57 pm

ric1911a1 wrote:To the original question: Yes and yes.
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Post by daflorc 4/25/2017, 12:57 pm

ric1911a1 wrote:To the original question: Yes and yes.
Well, I emailed them, and they said a flat trigger isn't allowed in the centerfire category. What a bummer.

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Post by mpolans 4/25/2017, 5:06 pm

daflorc wrote:
ric1911a1 wrote:To the original question: Yes and yes.
Well, I emailed them, and they said a flat trigger isn't allowed in the centerfire category. What a bummer.
Centerfire category? You mean service pistol, right? What was their reasoning? How is it not just an extended trigger?  After all, it might be extended a little more in the center, but I don't think all triggers have a standard curve, and faces definitely vary (grooves, smooth, etc).

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Post by daflorc 4/25/2017, 7:30 pm

mpolans wrote:
daflorc wrote:
ric1911a1 wrote:To the original question: Yes and yes.
Well, I emailed them, and they said a flat trigger isn't allowed in the centerfire category. What a bummer.
Centerfire category? You mean service pistol, right? What was their reasoning? How is it not just an extended trigger?  After all, it might be extended a little more in the center, but I don't think all triggers have a standard curve, and faces definitely vary (grooves, smooth, etc).
Sorry I mean service pistol, yes. They didn't give a reason - the woman (Michelle Woods) initially said a flat faced trigger guard is not allowed, then I told her that I was asking about the trigger itself, then CC'd me on an email with Mark Johnson (Chief Operating Officer) who confirmed her thought that flat faced triggers aren't allowed. I agree, I think its a kind of BS rule. I'm wondering if I should put a slight curve in the trigger, or just run with it and let them tell me at a match that its not allowed. It kinda sucks if its truly not allowed, all my guns have the same trigger!CMP EIC Rule Query Screen18

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Post by james r chapman 4/25/2017, 10:16 pm

They allow trigger shoes. Would a flat one pass. It's a stupid interpretation
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Post by Froneck 4/26/2017, 6:29 am

Back in the 1980's and earlier when nothing more than something very near the issued 1911 was allowed in the EIC match I could understand not allowing a flat trigger, wasn't until 1982 (I think) that the Gold Cup National Match was allowed in the National Match! Even as issued ball ammo was required and supplied by the DCM other ammo was not allowed! Now the the rules allowing quite a few pistols, beaver tail safety, trigger shoes and more the dummies rule out flat triggers! I'm thinking they don't shoot or know anything about shooting!

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Post by mpolans 4/26/2017, 10:17 am

Maybe one pass with a round file? Boom! No longer flat!

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Post by daflorc 4/26/2017, 1:03 pm

Froneck wrote:Back in the 1980's and earlier when nothing more than something very near the issued 1911 was allowed in the EIC match I could understand not allowing a flat trigger, wasn't until 1982 (I think) that the Gold Cup National Match was allowed in the National Match! Even as issued ball ammo was required and supplied by the DCM other ammo was not allowed! Now the the rules allowing quite a few pistols, beaver tail safety, trigger shoes and more the dummies rule out flat triggers! I'm thinking they don't shoot or know anything about shooting!
My thoughts exactly. They allow trigger shoes but not flat triggers, that's ridiculous.

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