WST powder

I know Winchester 231 and HP 38 are the same powder, does WST have the same powder in the Hodgen line of powders?

thanks

Check the sticky above. Nice comparison info.


Sticky   https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t2279-powder-cross-over-equivalent-chart

Burn rates of Clays International and WST are essentially the same. However, if you're looking for the best direct Hodgen substitute for 45 ACP loads, I would choose HP-38 as a commonly accepted excellent powder for the 45. HP-38 has a slightly higher burn rate than WST and a little slower than Bullseye.

I have had good results with CFE Pistol.  Don

Olde Pilot wrote:Burn rates of Clays International and WST are essentially the same. However, if you're looking for the best direct Hodgen substitute for 45 ACP loads, I would choose HP-38 as a commonly accepted excellent powder for the 45. HP-38 has a slightly higher burn rate than WST and a little slower than Bullseye.

Clays ( all variants) are made by ADI.  WST is made in St Marks Florida.  Very different powders.  They may be equivalent under SOME conditions but not others.  Note that neither Hodgdon NOR ADI listed a lot of pistol data for International.  Apparently it was touchy in some calibers.  The only data still around is some old Cowboy loads.  Just be cautious when deviating from recognized recipes.

Thanks for the responses, I have seen the various charts and currently use HP 38 or 231 for my 45acp loads.  I have seen a lot of people saying they liked WST for 45acp and was wondering if there was a identical powder from Hodgen if WST was not available.  

thank you

Olde Pilot wrote:Burn rates of Clays International and WST are essentially the same. However, if you're looking for the best direct Hodgen substitute for 45 ACP loads, I would choose HP-38 as a commonly accepted excellent powder for the 45. HP-38 has a slightly higher burn rate than WST and a little slower than Bullseye.

FYI, HP-38 & Win. 231 are the same powder.

Quote:
"Win. 231 and HP-38 are exactly the same powder. Any data you see for one you can safely use with the other.
Dave Campbell
Hodgdon/ IMR/ Winchester"


- Dave

No, there is not a Hodgen powder the same as  WST just with a different name.

Olde Pilot
I certainly hope you didn't take my post as criticism because it wasn't.  I added the info. because there are new shooters that may not know HP-38 & Win 231 are the same powder.  Since 2012 they are made in the same factory and packaged for the 2 brands, are they same exact powder.  That's why I posted it and it's also why I included the quote so the newbie's knew it wasn't just my opinion. 

I and many others use WST, it's a very popular, I am not aware of a direct replacement but there are powders with similar burn rates as suggested in the cross reference sticky.   I used Clays (not International Clays) until it couldn't be found then I switched to WST and the loads were close.

- Dave

If there is a better powder for 45 then WST my Ransom Rest never found it, nor did I. Shot a 893 with my 45 using WST in the early 1990s, never saw the need to look at another powder.
Tom Ginovsky

Olde pilot,  I wasn't trying to be critical.  Just trying to fill in the blanks.  These forum responses have a very long life and search engines will find information that's decades old.  Been there done that. So my post was to keep future shooters safe.

Thanks for all the responses, I have gone back and forth between Bullseye and HP-38, these days I have found HP-38 more often than Bulleye but if I see some WST I will give it a try.

thanks

I am waiting for the BE to run out but I have stocked up on to much of it for that to happen anytime soon.  I like BE but it just burns to dirty.  Maybe that is because of the powder puff loads I have never loaded a manual recommended load.  Don