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Post by orpheoet Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:48 pm

My slow fire scores are stalled around 90. I've noticed that my best scores usually have a fair amount of start overs. So when to abort the shot?
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Post by Tim:H11 Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:55 pm

People will say anything around the 7-10 second mark and some answers may vary on that detail. Some shooters hold much longer and do fine. Really my big "red flag" is if I'm thinking "almost there..." or if I'm fighting to get settled and stay there, like the shot was never there to begin with... put it down.
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Post by Aprilian Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:56 pm

This is what I have in my notes;  it is from Keyholed

The dot's arc of movement isn't centered? Abort.
Dot moving too much? Abort.
Conscious effort on the trigger? Abort.
Starting/stopping the trigger? Abort.
Lost focus on my target? Abort.
Holding longer than 4 seconds? Abort.

Thinking about anything else other than this shot? Abort.
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Post by Tim:H11 Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:58 pm

Amin minor distraction, any flaw with your shot process, or during the shot process, put it down.
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Post by Jon Eulette Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:11 pm

Aprilian wrote:This is what I have in my notes;  it is from Keyholed

The dot's arc of movement isn't centered? Abort.
Dot moving too much? Abort.
Conscious effort on the trigger? Abort.
Starting/stopping the trigger? Abort.
Lost focus on my target? Abort.
Holding longer than 4 seconds? Abort.

Thinking about anything else other than this shot? Abort.
Conscious effort on the trigger is a MUST! Trigger trumps everything else. Early shots almost always better than late shots on SF. If it doesn't feel right, look right or any distraction, then abort.
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Post by weber1b Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:13 pm

My simple rule (which I too often have not followed), if you think you might need to abort, then you in fact do need to. I have occasionally succeeded on a forced shot, but not as often as I've cursed it. I'm getting better at following that rule.

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Post by zanemoseley Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:13 pm

I'm like weber, if the thought even enters my mind I'm lowering the pistol. Usually if I continue the shot process I regret it, I've never regretted lowering the pistol.

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Post by john bickar Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:43 pm

Yup, as soon as the thought even starts to enter your mind.

I try to tell myself that aborting a shot is just like shooting a 10: I picked the gun up, and when I set it back down again, I hadn't dropped a single point.

There's probably a more positive way to phrase that.
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Post by PMcfall Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:40 am

Aprilian wrote:
The dot's arc of movement isn't centered? Abort.
Dot moving too much? Abort.
Conscious effort on the trigger? Abort.
Starting/stopping the trigger? Abort.
Lost focus on my target? Abort.
Holding longer than 4 seconds? Abort.

If I followed these rules, I would never shoot a shot.  I try to always think trigger and I also try to focus on the dot, never the target.
I know there are different approaches, but this is the way it works for me.  When do I abort a shot?  When that little voice in my head says so.
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Post by Ed Hall Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:20 am

PMcfall wrote:If I followed these rules, I would never shoot a shot...
Phil
Good statement!

Seek what you wish to find.  If you are searching for all the reasons to fail, how can you ever succeed.  Spend time learning, and then looking for, reasons to continue and if they are not recognized, abort.

RE, the original post:  If you are stalled, you might be at the pinnacle of your current shot plan.  You may have to change something in it to move past the block.  Sometimes we need to let go of something we dearly embrace and change our view of a solidly accepted aspect.

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Post by orpheoet Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:58 pm

Ed Hall wrote:
PMcfall wrote:If I followed these rules, I would never shoot a shot...
Phil
Good statement!

Seek what you wish to find.  If you are searching for all the reasons to fail, how can you ever succeed.  Spend time learning, and then looking for, reasons to continue and if they are not recognized, abort.

RE, the original post:  If you are stalled, you might be at the pinnacle of your current shot plan.  You may have to change something in it to move past the block.  Sometimes we need to let go of something we dearly embrace and change our view of a solidly accepted aspect.
I think my "shot plan" probably is the issue. I don't have much of a plan other than point gun, shoot... other than my stance I couldnt really say I have a consistent process.
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Post by Multiracer Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:13 pm

orpheoet wrote:
Ed Hall wrote:
PMcfall wrote:If I followed these rules, I would never shoot a shot...
Phil
Good statement!

Seek what you wish to find.  If you are searching for all the reasons to fail, how can you ever succeed.  Spend time learning, and then looking for, reasons to continue and if they are not recognized, abort.

RE, the original post:  If you are stalled, you might be at the pinnacle of your current shot plan.  You may have to change something in it to move past the block.  Sometimes we need to let go of something we dearly embrace and change our view of a solidly accepted aspect.
I think my "shot plan" probably is the issue. I don't have much of a plan other than point gun, shoot... other than my stance I couldnt really say I have a consistent process.
affraid I was thinking to myself the very words you wrote here David Re: my "shot plan"

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Post by orpheoet Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:19 am

Multiracer wrote:
orpheoet wrote:
Ed Hall wrote:
PMcfall wrote:If I followed these rules, I would never shoot a shot...
Phil
Good statement!

Seek what you wish to find.  If you are searching for all the reasons to fail, how can you ever succeed.  Spend time learning, and then looking for, reasons to continue and if they are not recognized, abort.

RE, the original post:  If you are stalled, you might be at the pinnacle of your current shot plan.  You may have to change something in it to move past the block.  Sometimes we need to let go of something we dearly embrace and change our view of a solidly accepted aspect.
I think my "shot plan" probably is the issue. I don't have much of a plan other than point gun, shoot... other than my stance I couldnt really say I have a consistent process.
affraid I was thinking to myself the very words you wrote here David Re: my "shot plan"
I'm thinking we may have arrived at the difference between Expert and Master/High Master....
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Post by Archer Gravely Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:47 am

weber1b wrote:My simple rule (which I too often have not followed), if you think you might need to abort, then you in fact do need to. I have occasionally succeeded on a forced shot, but not as often as I've cursed it. I'm getting better at following that rule.
This is excellent advice and is helping me.

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Post by Keithcrc Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:55 pm

I abort when the sight is no longer clear. I also abort when my normal movement isn't normal.
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Post by Keyholed Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:20 am

Jon Eulette wrote:
Aprilian wrote:This is what I have in my notes;  it is from Keyholed

The dot's arc of movement isn't centered? Abort.
Dot moving too much? Abort.
Conscious effort on the trigger? Abort.
Starting/stopping the trigger? Abort.
Lost focus on my target? Abort.
Holding longer than 4 seconds? Abort.

Thinking about anything else other than this shot? Abort.
Conscious effort on the trigger is a MUST! Trigger trumps everything else. Early shots almost always better than late shots on SF. If it doesn't feel right, look right or any distraction, then abort.
Jon


Let me clarify that. When I say "Conscious effort on the trigger", I'm referencing the feeling of having to squeeze harder.

I'm no great shakes, but I'm okay at ID SF. I'm happy with 10s, and I'll take 9s if they're to-call, anything else and I can tell I made an error. I'm fine with making errors When I'm shooting SF, I'm trying to not think about anything at all. I would say, by your lingo, I'm applying conscious effort, in that I'm deciding when to start squeezing. After that, I just let that thing squeeze itself and keep an eye on how it's going. Finger knows what he's s'posed to do.

When I speak of that conscious effort as a negative, I'm specifically thinking about that feeling of "needing to complete the shot" or--worse--"the trigger has stopped moving and I need to squeeze harder" (I shoot a roll). When that happens, I'll either catch myself consciously working the trigger, or I'll take a bad shot.

I think a lot of people have those sorts of feelings, for different things--e.g. "I better not break the shot right now, the dot isn't on the 10", leading to starting/stopping on the trigger.

Flipping back to OP: A 90 isn't necessarily good or bad. What's happening on that target?

If you've got 70-80% 9s and 10s, and you're calling every shot precisely, then it's time to figure out what's going on with your worst shots.

Conversely, if you've got a random smattering of shots across the black that just happens to add up to 90, then maybe it's time to go through your technique. Try out a different stance and grip. Study how the two affect your hold.

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Post by Keithcrc Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:15 pm

Yes do everything written here and keep it simple. It seems all or most of the stated methods are correct. Here is another, the gun doesn't change within it's known accuracy, we do. How little we change is the consistency we are after. If your method is a little different within convention, but is consistent then adjust for and do that. Brian Zins the most winningest champion focuses on the target ( per his writings) This is against normal conventional procedure and undoable by some, but it obviously could be done. Should everyone? I don't think it is possible.
Know the fundamentals and practice and you will know more about when to move the trigger.
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Post by rich.tullo Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:09 pm

When do you abort in timed fire if at all?
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Post by bdutton Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:48 pm

orpheoet wrote:My slow fire scores are stalled around 90. I've noticed that my best scores usually have a fair amount of start overs. So when to abort the shot?
When you start thinking about IF you should shoot the shot.
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