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Post by Jon Math Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:08 pm

If I chose to shoot a revolver either as my center fire and or the .45 cal pistol in a match I can mount a dot and thumb rest, palm shelf type grips.  However if I chose to use the revolver in a distinguished match it must have mirror image grips and be iron sighted.  Is that a correct understanding of the rules?
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Post by Chris Miceli Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:39 pm

Jon Math wrote:If I chose to shoot a revolver either as my center fire and or the .45 cal pistol in a match I can mount a dot and thumb rest, palm shelf type grips.  However if I chose to use the revolver in a distinguished match it must have mirror image grips and be iron sighted.  Is that a correct understanding of the rules?

Yes mostly. The Distinguished Revolver match must be 38 spcl. The max barrel lengths are different from CF and DR matches. DR pistols can't be modified besides stone of sear and hammers. Other differences are CF you can use an over travel screw, DR can't.

The Harry Reeves match (only at Perry) is more like the CF rules, modified guns and dots good to go.

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Post by Jon Math Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:49 pm

Thanks!  Is there a specification on the ammo, aside from being .38 special caliber? 
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Post by Ed Hall Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:58 pm

This might help:

3.1.4 Distinguished Revolver - The revolver must be capable
of chambering and firing a 158-grain round nose or Semi-Wad-
cutter .38 Special cartridge. It must be a factory manufactured
revolver with no external modifications except for stocks which
may be modified or changed because of the size of the competitor’s
hand or to facilitate loading. Except for stocks and the honing of
the sear or sear notch to make a more crisp trigger, and maintain
a 2 1/2 lb. minimum trigger pull, no external or internal modifi -
cation may be made to the revolver as manufactured and sold by
the factory of origin. No parts may be removed from the revolver,
either externally or internally, nor may any part be added, with
the exception of milling the cylinder to accommodate moon clips.
Specifically prohibited is any system of recoil control based upon
compensators, barrel venting, barrel porting or weighted grips.
Exposed holes that have been drilled and tapped for mounting of a
scope are not considered to be an external modification.

(a) Trigger- Must have single and double action capability and
must be capable of lifting 2 1/2 lbs when the revolver is cocked for
single action firing. Triggers will be weighed. Any trigger, sold
by the manufacturer of the revolver, without modification, may be
used.

(b) Sights- Fixed or adjustable rear sights may be used. An Ad-
justable front sight is not allowed.

(c) Barrel- Length not to exceed six and one- half inches. (6
1/2”)

(d) Stocks- Except as set forth above, the right and left stocks
must be mirror images of each other.

(e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158
grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only.

(f) The following are not allowed. Trigger shoes, compensa-
tors of type or design; any external trigger stop device; any inter-
nal trigger stop not originally installed by the factory as original
equipment in stock revolvers of the same make and model; tape on
the stocks or stocks flared at the base.

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Post by Jon Math Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:15 pm

Yes it certainly does.  I could only find bits and pieces of that rule on line.
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Post by Jon Math Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:44 pm

http://ppc.nra.org/documents/pdf/law/competitions/bulletin13-1.pdf

My Revolver does have the target hammer and trigger, but came from the factory that way.   I have one of these blades from this link on my revolver, I was concerned that it disqualified the revolver, but according to the link it is allowed, aside from that my S&W 14 seems to meet all the other requirements.

I have S&W wooden target grips (stocks) on it now, I’m short fingered and it’s a real stretch to get to the trigger.  Are there better choices for stocking a revolver and staying in the Distinguished rules?    
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Post by Chris Miceli Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:58 pm

Jon Math wrote:http://ppc.nra.org/documents/pdf/law/competitions/bulletin13-1.pdf

My Revolver does have the target hammer and trigger, but came from the factory that way.   I have one of these blades from this link on my revolver, I was concerned that it disqualified the revolver, but according to the link it is allowed, aside from that my S&W 14 seems to meet all the other requirements.

I have S&W wooden target grips (stocks) on it now, I’m short fingered and it’s a real stretch to get to the trigger.  Are there better choices for stocking a revolver and staying in the Distinguished rules?    

its allowed by the PPC rules, not specificity the DR rules... but it looks like it was a factory S&W option so should be legal by DR...well the way i see it.

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Post by james r chapman Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:55 pm

It is NOT a factory option, it's an aftermarket part approved for PPC DR.
I've been informed at this time it is not allowed in NRA DR.

No consistently in NRA rules.
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Post by Chris Miceli Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:59 pm

james r chapman wrote:It is NOT  a factory option, it's an aftermarket part approved for PPC DR.
I've been informed at this time it is not allowed in NRA DR.

No consistently in NRA rules.
welp.. Sad i loose. disallowed!  but... i doubt anyone other than some ppc shooters would notice it.

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Post by james r chapman Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:02 pm

Yep, lol
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Post by Wobbley Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:21 pm

Jon Math wrote:
I have S&W wooden target grips (stocks) on it now, I’m short fingered and it’s a real stretch to get to the trigger.  Are there better choices for stocking a revolver and staying in the Distinguished rules?    

There are other options. Try S&W “Magna” Grips. Available as either option or special orde4 on all their revolvers thru the 1970s.
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Post by james r chapman Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:25 pm

a great shooter, but, an example of a NOT legal DR revolver... Sad
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Post by Jon Math Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:14 am

james r chapman wrote:It is NOT  a factory option, it's an aftermarket part approved for PPC DR.
I've been informed at this time it is not allowed in NRA DR.

No consistently in NRA rules.

Well that’s not too confusing.  Thank you very much for pointing this out.  I’d hate to drive several hours to a shoot only to find out the revolver is not allowed.  I have to rethink my interest in working towards a DR qualification I guess.
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Post by mpolans Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:41 am

james r chapman wrote:It is NOT  a factory option, it's an aftermarket part approved for PPC DR.
I've been informed at this time it is not allowed in NRA DR.

No consistently in NRA rules.
Strange, that seems to directly contradict 3.1.4 above, "...no external modifications except for stocks which may be modified or changed because of the size of the competitor’s hand or to facilitate loading."  As per 3.1.4(d), both sides are supposed to be mirror images of each other, and as per 3.1.4(f), they can't have tape on them or be flared at the base (I'm guessing this is prevent folks from having grips with a palm shelf).

I agree though, even outside bullseye, NRA rules can tend to be vague and an impediment to promoting their disciplines.

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Post by USSR Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:14 pm

mpolans wrote:
james r chapman wrote:It is NOT  a factory option, it's an aftermarket part approved for PPC DR.
I've been informed at this time it is not allowed in NRA DR.

No consistently in NRA rules.
Strange, that seems to directly contradict 3.1.4 above, "...no external modifications except for stocks which may be modified or changed because of the size of the competitor’s hand or to facilitate loading."  As per 3.1.4(d), both sides are supposed to be mirror images of each other, and as per 3.1.4(f), they can't have tape on them or be flared at the base (I'm guessing this is prevent folks from having grips with a palm shelf).

I agree though, even outside bullseye, NRA rules can tend to be vague and an impediment to promoting their disciplines.

Can't seem to wrap myself around "stocks which may be modifed...to facilitate loading" and "both sides are supposed to be mirror images of each other".   If you modify the left grip for loading purposes, then it no longer is a "mirror image" of the right grip.

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Post by james r chapman Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:15 pm

There cannot be a thumbrest
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Post by LenV Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:24 pm

Here is a sample of legal grips. Every grip here is legal for DR. Finger groves are allowed, non wood allowed, no thumb rest, left and right only difference is a relief in grip to load. This sample by no means are all the legal grips available. Just the ones I could grab in two minutes.

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Post by Jon Math Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:36 pm

Thank you, lots of different options indeed!
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