Anyone use Speers 451-185-SWC TMJ MATCH BULLET

Last trip to Camp Perry there were several AMU shooters using a Jacketed SWC (NOT PLATED) in the EIC matches, like Speers 451-185-SWC TMJ MATCH BULLET 
Pictured from Speer's webpage:


Wondering is anyone has used them and what your loads are?  How do they perform compared to a JHP round?  One advantage would be nicely cut holes.

- Dave

I have used these Speer SWC's but found that the Zero 185 gr. JHP much more accurate at 50 yards.  Could have been my load but I tried 4.2 of BE and 4.4 of V-310.  Maybe if pushed faster I would get better accuracy but the 4.2 of V-310 and 185 gr. JHP Zero's are a great load in my gun so I'm sticking with those.

I might be wrong but I thought Speer discontinued these bullets?

Virgil

dronning wrote:Last trip to Camp Perry there were several AMU shooters using a Jacketed SWC (NOT PLATED) in the EIC matches, like Speers 451-185-SWC TMJ MATCH BULLET 
Pictured from Speer's webpage:


Wondering is anyone has used them and what your loads are?  How do they perform compared to a JHP round?  One advantage would be nicely cut holes.

- Dave

I was talking to one of the shooters he said the good shooters got jhp

actually the Speers are plated.. just like the Gold dots... Just way better plating than others..


I shoot them for the short line in my EIC 45... they will not hold up to Nosler 185 JHP at 50..  I run 4.1 of N310 in both

pretty sure they are still making them.

jglenn21 wrote:actually the Speers are plated.. just like the Gold dots... Just way better plating than others..


I shoot them for the short line in my EIC 45... they will not hold up to Nosler 185 JHP at 50..  I run 4.1 of N310 in both

pretty sure they are still making them.

Actually the old ones like I have are jacketed. I can send you a few to check out if you like.

Virgil

thanks , I remember those.. I still have some Winchester and Remington 185 SWC snub nose left over from the 80s.. unfortunately not enough to really use.

Did some more research, the Speer are plated but much thicker so you run them at +P pressures.  I'm going to stick with the 185 JHP.
- Dave

Speer TMJ: .015"
Berry's Thick Plated (TP): .012"
PowerBond: .010"-.011"
Berry's Regular: .0035"-.006"-.008"
Rainier: .004"

AMU is not using the JSWC.  You may have bumped into a pickup Tyro shooter or an augment not part of the regular Team.
Are you sure it wasn't a National Guard or a Navy shooter?

JayhawkNavy02 wrote:AMU is not using the JSWC.  You may have bumped into a pickup Tyro shooter or an augment not part of the regular Team.
Are you sure it wasn't a National Guard or a Navy shooter?

It was 2016 just after the rule change, so it may have been.
- Dave

JayhawkNavy02 wrote:AMU is not using the JSWC.  You may have bumped into a pickup Tyro shooter or an augment not part of the regular Team.
Are you sure it wasn't a National Guard or a Navy shooter?

I saw a guard shooter use them. It was the federal brand loaded ambi