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Post by 10sandxs on 6/23/2018, 1:55 pm

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Well, in the never ending search for an ultradot replacement, I can Eleminate the vortex crossfire.  Yes, Im left handed, but my jerk isn't quite this bad

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Post by gregbenner on 6/25/2018, 4:52 pm

10sandxs wrote:Well, in the never ending search for an ultradot replacement, I can Eleminate the vortex crossfire.  Yes, Im left handed, but my jerk isn't quite this bad


I am curious, how does a dot sight cause this problem?  Does it move somehow?

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Post by zanemoseley on 6/25/2018, 6:53 pm

I'm guessing the windage & elevation adjusts crap out and the dot just wanders around.

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Post by mikemyers on 6/25/2018, 7:33 pm

LenV wrote:Mike, It is 724.00 with the mount but they are "sold out". I wonder what they go for on the used market?

Rob, Zero problems with my Vortex Crossfire but have it mounted on a 52 so not much recoil.

Have S-30 on a wad gun (45). Works like a champ after 2 years.
LenV, I just checked - I can add it to my shopping cart, so it's apparently still available.

Read the article on the Aimpoint sights at:  https://bigtexoutdoors.com/blogs/news/88201863-differences-between-aimpoint-micro-sights

You will find the text "Save 15% THESE SIGHTS with the code Aimpoint Article.

If you're still having trouble, call Ike Stephens at BigtexOutdoors, who is the person who helped me.
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Post by LenV on 6/25/2018, 7:54 pm

Mike. Sorry, not true Laughing. You asked what it would cost with the standard mount. I checked. It is 724.00. Only about 25.00 more then without. Worth getting... But they are sold out (the mount). I am not having trouble. I have zero desire to spend 600.00 on a dot that just goes down in value. I like Aimpoints don't get me wrong. I now have 6 of them and have a little less then 750.00 into all 6. I kind of wonder why I bought the 2000 but 3000, 7000 and 9000 are super nice. Just shot State matches (Oregon) and had one of each in the match. Call me a cheapskate. Rolling Eyes

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Post by mikemyers on 6/25/2018, 8:05 pm

Oh, you mean the mount is sold out?   I didn't realize what you meant.  There is a 15% discount on the sights.  I never even checked on the mount, as I have a spare, since I replaced the stock mount with a Kodiak mount on my Salyer.

Yep, with the discount, it's $600 or so.  It's a lot more than other sights, but it's $100 less than what I was going to have to spend with MidwayUSA.  

I only know what I see, and have only used four tube-style sights, ADCO, Tasco, Matcdot II, and Aimpoint H-1.  As a photographer, I prefer the image through the Aimpoint, and as a 74-year old dude who isn't as strong as he'd like to be, I greatly prefer the reduction in weight with the Micro Sights.  

If you did get one, for a wad gun, plan on $100 more for the Kodiak machined steel mount from KC.   


....you've got a very nice collection!!!!
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Post by Wile E Coyote on 6/25/2018, 8:17 pm

Allgoodhits wrote:… anyone have an user opinion on the UltraDot HD micro ?

no es bueno

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Post by mikemyers on 6/25/2018, 8:53 pm

If I remember right, I was told it is off-set to the side.  I never found anything good about it, so I stopped searching.
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Post by 10sandxs on 6/25/2018, 9:12 pm

gregbenner wrote:
10sandxs wrote:Well, in the never ending search for an ultradot replacement, I can Eleminate the vortex crossfire.  Yes, Im left handed, but my jerk isn't quite this bad


I am curious, how does a dot sight cause this problem?  Does it move somehow?
a friend said that you could see my shots shifting down as I was shooting the strings.  each shot went farther down and right the equivalent of a click or two... the elevation and windage adjustments are slipping.

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Post by paul noles on 6/25/2018, 10:49 pm

Was it in the vortex base or the kodiak base???

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Post by 10sandxs on 6/25/2018, 11:14 pm

paul noles wrote:Was it in the vortex base or the kodiak base???
vortex

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Post by paul noles on 6/25/2018, 11:17 pm

Thanks....i just aquired 1 but gonna use the kodiak ....i think that will help....good luck in your search ..its been on going for me.. I even purchased two 9000 s c and I'm not overly happy with them

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Post by 10sandxs on 6/25/2018, 11:25 pm

paul noles wrote:Thanks....i just aquired 1 but gonna use the kodiak ....i think that will help....good luck in your search ..its been on going for me.. I even purchased two 9000 s c and I'm not overly happy with them
My next option is to go frame mount to minimize recoil impact to the sight. I have a design, just need to find the time to make it and install a dot on it...  I'm going to turn the dot 90 degrees and remove the scope rail from the slide to enable a lower bore to dot axis. on my next build, I'm going to flat top the slide to get it even lower, but that is probably this winter's project...

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Post by paul noles on 6/25/2018, 11:28 pm

I think i may know you ....i live in st charles mo ....have we shot together somewhere

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Post by 10sandxs on 6/25/2018, 11:54 pm

paul noles wrote:I think i may know you ....i live in st charles mo ....have we shot together somewhere
I don't think so... I live in West Fargo ND.  I've shot Perry several times, but none recently...

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Post by Jon Eulette on 6/25/2018, 11:57 pm

I put a Sightron 30mm on a frame mounted 45 I built. I liked it better than the UD 30 mm. It didn’t have negative magnification. I personally only use Aimpoint Micro and 9000SC on my pistols. 2 moa only and have no issues with the fit being not bright enough or distorted. 
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Post by 10sandxs on 6/26/2018, 7:31 am

JKR wrote:Rob,

After an UltraDot crash last year at Perry, I bought a Sightron S30-5. I seriously like this sight and recently bought another for my 22. So far I have a bit over two thousand rounds on the first one on my slide mounted 45. So far, so good!

They're advertised as a 5 minute dot but that's wrong. The dot is half the size of the UD 4 minute dot. The adjustments are crisp and there's no negative magnification. I'm sure other shooters have tried them but I've not heard much except from Len V who's always a good source to check with about dot sights. 

The Springfield you re barreled for me is performing fabulously! I'll be shooting it at Perry with the Sightron.

Jim
Good to hear jim.

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Post by PhotoEscape on 7/29/2018, 4:53 pm

What about Bausch & Lomb 2x?
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Post by kc.crawford.7 on 7/30/2018, 5:00 pm

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Aimpoint doesn't make a 4 MOA dot any more.  Just 2 MOA across the board.  That change was done the beginning of the year.
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Post by Zippy on 7/30/2018, 5:22 pm

Thank you KC for the heads up on the 4MOA at Perry, I picked up 2  Another one bites the dust, vortex crossfire - Page 2 2935285009 Just waiting until you get the Kodiak for the Pardini back in stock.

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Post by LenV on 3/6/2019, 12:18 am

My crossfire died on the range yesterday. I had it slide mounted on a 9mm and the light/dot quit. I took it apart and did an autopsy. The batterie has 6 little clips that hold it in place and make the ground contact. Most red dots also have a contact point with the screw cap to insure ground. The Vortex has a rubber pad there instead. The 6 clips had lost any tension they might of had and with no contact to the cap it just quit. Aluminum foil to the rescue. I placed a little behind two clips and also made a cut out in the foam for a little ball to go in the cap. The light/dot works again. I am going to look around for a small spring to go where I put the ball in the cap so vibration doesn't loosen it up again.

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Post by Bigtrout on 3/6/2019, 6:33 am

Allgoodhits wrote:… anyone have an user opinion on the UltraDot HD micro ?
I've had 2 of them, one was a replacement for the first which would not hold zero after about 1000 rounds on my S&W 986 9mm.  The replacement did the same thing.  I requested the Matchdot to replace the second Micro.  I did not like the optics after about 200 rounds so I mounted a Burris 2x scope which gets better results off the bench, which is where all my shooting takes place.  I'll probably sell the Matchdot.  FWIW.
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Post by Jack H on 3/6/2019, 1:40 pm

kc.crawford.7 wrote:Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Aimpoint doesn't make a 4 MOA dot any more.  Just 2 MOA across the board.  That change was done the beginning of the year.

I am glad I got my 4 dot units.
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Post by zanemoseley on 3/6/2019, 1:50 pm

LenV wrote:My crossfire died on the range yesterday. I had it slide mounted on a 9mm and the light/dot quit. I took it apart and did an autopsy. The batterie has 6 little clips that hold it in place and make the ground contact. Most red dots also have a contact point with the screw cap to insure ground. The Vortex has a rubber pad there instead. The 6 clips had lost any tension they might of had and with no contact to the cap it just quit. Aluminum foil to the rescue. I placed a little behind two clips and also made a cut out in the foam for a little ball to go in the cap. The light/dot works again. I am going to look around for a small spring to go where I put the ball in the cap so vibration doesn't loosen it up again.

Len
Or just take advantage of their stellar warranty and get a new one. I personally think Vortex could "up" their red dot game, they focus too much on the tacticool crowd. I'm a fan of their scopes in general.

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