CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow Target II - anyone shoot one?

No one???

No, but from most of the competition CZs I've shot, the trigger pull would likely need to be *increased* to make weight.  I've felt bone stock CZ Tactical Sports that had triggers in the 2.00lb range.

I've got a Shadow II and really like it. I've thought of having it acccurized and a dot rail added. I shoot it decent but never seen ransom rest results.

Thanks for the input guys!  Please keep them coming in!

jlow wrote:No one???

Hate to say, but I've learned to expect that if it's not about 1911s don't expect much input. You have to be patient for a few comments to trickle in. :p
Ask about choices for 45s and specifically say you’re not looking for a 1911, you'll still get a 1911 discussion. I just accept I'm a heretic shooting my CZ97.
From my perspective, I’m shooting because I enjoy it. So I want to shoot what I enjoy. I don’t enjoy 1911s and found the CZ to be a nice fit in my hand. A pistol that is “worse” than another may one day end up being what is holding you back. But the road to perfection is mostly about learning what is holding you back and working on those issues.
To me it seems that anything in the CZ SP01 or SP02 lineup should serve well as a bullseye pistol. You’ll just have to seek out CZ forums and resources if you decide to take the path of further accurizing them if you don’t fall to the BE mantra of 45 in a 1911 for CF and 45. I'm slowly looking into resources and ideas for my CZ97.

Yes, I am not looking for a 1911, that is perfectly fine for some but not me but that should be OK.  Appreciate your input.

There is a reason for the high percentage of 1911 discussion here. Bullseye was for years heavily influenced by the service teams and DCM/CMP which required the use of the 1911 pistol. So we developed a whole metric “Crapton” of support for that platform. And because of these factors most everyone uses one. It’s just easier. When we go to Perry and our pistol has an issue, we can go to a service team support trailer and their armorer will fix us right up. Can’t do that with anything else.

As for the OPs question, I shoot a CZ Shadow in 9mm Combat training. Best 9mm out there.

Cajun Custom has some excellent hard parts for CZ pistols. CZ Custom has some too.

I love the CZ97. The gripframe is just a bit too big for me to shoot one-handed.

OK thanks again for the input - very useful thus far.

Wobbley wrote:There is a reason for the high percentage of 1911 discussion here.  Bullseye was for years heavily influenced by the service teams and DCM/CMP which required the use of the 1911 pistol.  So we developed a whole metric “Crapton” of support for that platform.  And because of these factors most everyone uses one.  It’s just easier.  When we go to Perry and our pistol has an issue, we can go to a service team support trailer and their armorer will fix us right up.  Can’t do that with anything else. 

The AMU NRA Pistol Team also have M9s and Hammerli 208S and may be able to help you if they have time.  The USMC has the same list plus S&W M41s (Tyro shooters).  Guard Team also has the AMU’s old K frame wheel guns and one of their Gunsmiths is very knowledgeable.  

The USMC and AMU Team use the M9/M9A1 in addition to the 1911, which didn't really catch on with the masses for EIC or even CF prior to the rule change as 1 of 2 available platforms for CMP matches.   IMO the 1911 is forgiving to shoot and that lends itself to the popularity along with the massive gunsmith support available to make a decent shooting 1911 On a budget all the way to brutally accurate.  IMO, the 1911 is also unique in that you can pretty easily get a rimfire, 9mm/38 super/38 special, 45 ACP in the same platform and that enables consistency across the course.  Hard enough to master each unique trigger, then add in another completely different platform and for fun to the mix.  No thanks.  45 ACP is also easier than 9mm to generate match quality reloads IMO with a greater variety of acceptable components.  I’m sure there are more factors, but some that I keyed in on early when I made my decision.

IMO the CZ looks like a great option for a CMP EIC pistol if it can hold the X-Ring.  I'd be very interested in seeing Ransom Rest results from one with a factory and KKM slow twist barrel.  Other than the goofy flat trigger, FO front sight and lack of FSC this CZ-75 Bullseye looks pretty amazing.  However if you need a barrel, front sight and then checker the frame you’re in full custom 1911 price territory.  Not sure if the “Bullseye” model is legal for CMP matches, but I'd like to have one regardless  

Lots of good points and some very good reason for considering a 1911 instead.  I don't have either pistol but thinking of one and trying to get ideas as to what would be a good decision and trying to avoid a bad decision.  

I currently only shoot action pistol but also interested in Bullseye and it may well be that I am better served with two different guns.

Would love to see the CZ97 sport in person:
https://www.waffen-oschatz.de/cz-97-sport/

For all the praise heaped on the 1911, I just find it doesn't fit my hand well. Although picking up a borrowed Caspian for a service pistol EIC having only shot a .45 1911 (and that other time was the only time I shot a .45) once before I was impressed/surprised by my 82 score in timed fire.

My purchase of a CZ 97 was part that I stumbled across one in a gun store while travelling, it felt great in hand, and part that it filled the need for a .45 to shoot 2700s without spending the thousands and the long wait for the Tanfoglio Gold Match I've been interested in for a long time.

For CF, an if I shoot a service pistol EIC again, I'm shooting a Walther PPQ. A pistol, my first CF, that I bought on a whim. As again, it felt great in hand when I handled one in a store and the trigger seemed really good. As I had three separate accidental double taps during rapid and timed fire during the 2700 I shot, I know that I need to practice my trigger pulls or change pistols.

A CZ SP01, SP02 Shadow, or other CZ model has interested me. The Tanfoglio really interested me because it would be possible to have a 45acp and 9mm pistol with the one frame/trigger and it has much better ergonomics for me.

Again, my view is that I'm unlikely to make master and I'm doing this all for the enjoyment. And no matter what pistol(s) I choose, I'll need to learn and adapt and each outing will be to do the best I can with what I have and try to continually improve. I'm confident that any of the pistols I own I should be able to hit all shots in the black and move my averages into the 80's.

They're very heavy, but I have a TSO coming later this year. Trigger is a very nice single stage so am anxious to build up a load and give it a try.

Joel

Thanks again for all the feedback.

The CZs I am looking are indeed heavy in the middle 40 odd oz range.  That at least for action shooting is one of the major advantage of the gun as it tames recoil.  Recoil not as in it hurts your hand (this is only a 9mm... ) but to reduce muzzel flip so that it settles back on target fast for that 0.2 second split double tap.  At least for my division which is ESP, the weight limit is 45 oz and a guy who is shooting a gun at the weight limit competing against another guy at the 30 oz range is definitely at an advantage since your time is your starting score.

That is not to say weight is everything in terms of competitiveness, certainly skills, and loads makes a huge difference but it is part of the whole equation.  Not something that normal bullseye shooter have to worry about.

jlow wrote:That is not to say weight is everything in terms of competitiveness, certainly skills, and loads makes a huge difference but it is part of the whole equation.  Not something that normal bullseye shooter have to worry about.

Same issues with taming flip in BE.
Want to have the muzzle stay on target as much as possible during timed and rapid fire.

Thanks!

Hello. I don't shoot that exact pistol but I shoot CZ CUSTOM 75 BULLSEYE 9MM.  Just picked it up today.  I will be at the range in the morning to run it through its first shots. 
The 25 yard target gun came with is one hole 5 shots.  I expect the pistol to be and excellent BE gun for informal match at my club.  By the way the pistol has a 3.5 lb single action flat trigger.
Just an outstanding pistol.  I will update this when I get back from the range and see what it can do.  Talk later.   CZKELLY

My pistol does look very much like the one in the picture.  Exactly actually.  The slide on my new CZ does say 75 Bullseye.
Cant see the left side of the pistol in the picture. 
CZ KELLY

Slartybartfast wrote:Would love to see the CZ97 sport in person:
https://www.waffen-oschatz.de/cz-97-sport/

+1
Wow.  I'm very happy with my CZ97 (OK, all my CZs), but I'd really like to get my mitts on that one.

Is that 97 Sport in production? I love the CZ 75 platform so bet the 97 is pretty nice as well. Just got an Accu Shadow a week ago to replace a Shadow 2, both are very nice.

Here is a link to a photo that a guy posted using a CZ75B.  Trigger work and a new bushing and he got 1-3/8" at 50yds.  Very interesting if true!

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/1590032144

Joe L goes by JoeMustang99 on YouTube. He uses a CZ75 and a P10.

I would go with a 75B with an adjustible sight and Cahjun 10x bushing and see how that works. CZ sights are are a little short for 50 yards. 

If you are looking for a 1911 replacement then I would go with a 97B and work up 185 jhp loads. For best results I would send the gun to Cajun Gun works and get a 1911 sytle bushing which they claim makes it supper accurate.

zanemoseley wrote:Is that 97 Sport in production? I love the CZ 75 platform so bet the 97 is pretty nice as well. Just got an Accu Shadow a week ago to replace a Shadow 2, both are very nice.

It certainly is in production. But that production seems to be very limited and rarefied. I'd have to see and try one before dropping 1999Euros and going through the process of importing a handgun from Europe into Canada.
Been reading good reviews of the accurizing work done by Cajun Gun Works. But getting a firearm from the USA is a similar process to getting a firearm from Europe.