Considering a Pardini .22 for BE

First topic message reminder :

After watching the Rapid fire 25M juniors in Lima, seeing the zero recoil of the Pardini.

What do I need to know about the the line up of Pardini 22s? Barrels?, ammo finicky? Dot sites? mounts, etc.

The full report please. I only shoot .22 for the full 2700 and EIC .22.

I would finance it by liquidation of my SW M41 with OEM 5.5 barrel and Clark 5.5 STC barrel with bridge for Vortex RD2 sight with 4 OEM mags

Also liquidation of Browning Buckmark Field Model with full length rail with 4 mags

Also liquidation of my Colt Hbar Sporter .223 with handle model with NM front and rear sights and at least 10 20rd Colt mags.

Yes it smacks of trying to buy points .. guilty.

chiz1180 wrote:

James Hensler wrote:Another option would be to find a wore out 208 or some type of 1911 conversion and be Apart of the Timed and Rapid Fire Alibi Crew!

While you are being petty, I have seen more 880's shot with a 208 or a conversion this year alone than I have ever seen shot with a Pardini. Zurek shot 889-53x with a Nelson at Remember the Brave earlier this year, a bunch of 880's shot by the AMU at Cardinal, Canton, Perry, and Atterbury. Henderson shot 884-42 at Ohio State Outdoor match with a marvel. 

Pardini's have alibi's just as often as 208's and conversions. Guess what happens if someone drops a pardini mag and the ejector gets bumped?

AMU guys are going to shoot what the AMU gives them. Those pistols have some of the best Armor’s in the country maintaining them. 
Paying close attention over the last 20 years I have never ever seen an alibi caused from a Pardini. So for the rest of the year when an alibi happens go look at what it is! A 208 or Conversion!
Perfect example 
A good friend of mine has a high end Marvel and was having one failure after another and went as far as blaming the ammo on this website and everyone chimed in. I asked him for the rest of the brick and with my Pardini I never had a single mishap

Alibi's are directly related to how well someone takes care of their equipment. I have not had a single gun related alibi in my conversion in the last two years, only one that was ammo related in regards the priming compound. Any 22 that is properly maintained will function. I have seen more double alibi's with a pardini than I have ever experienced with a conversion. Does that make one better than the other, nope not at all. Both are mechanical objects that are prone to wear and potential malfunction. 

How many 880's have been shot with a Pardini in matches this year? If it is clearly a superior gun for the sport no differential should be present between a Pardini and other makes in premiere scores. 

To be blunt, recommending that someone spends an exorbitant amount of money on any gun to "improve their score" is foolish. The score is determined by the shooter, not the gun.

A Ruger MK will take you to Master!

I am the OP for this thread/topic.
Two of the main problems I have is recoil anticipation and the follow thru. I would guess that is 70% of my issues in BE. This is especially so in SF. It is just plain awful. TF/RF are progressing upwards.
I can call approximate 85 % of my shots in SF clockwise, but not point placement.

Have advice from others. Masters and experts.
Have done the SF at 25yds, done placing dot at 12 and letting trigger pull do the rest to bring the dot on center. Have gone back to the raw grips after having friction tape and anti-skid material surrounding the grip. Used different thumb pressures and grip firmness.

I usually do about 10-15 practice sessions with a match thrown in between with each change in technique.

I am exploring the Pardini route to address the recoil and getting the grip positioning stable.

Question: are match dots and ultra dots the only option dot wise on a Pardini? I do like the Vortex RD2s that I have.

Might a Bullseye Clinic really be that beneficial to a Marksman.

Yes, to the last question

Maybe our Olympic team should use a conversion with this logic?

The pardini comes with a super tight rail and that’s why they mill their own rings. I think Lablover has a kodiak mount And I think you could mount your dot to it and it will work but just ask him

James Hensler wrote:Maybe our Olympic team should use a conversion with this logic?

You are also neglecting the fact that Pardini has a dedicated Rapid Fire gun which is different from the guns bullseye shooters use... also rapid fire pistol is near dead here. The Olympic team also did far better in air than in rapid fire pistol.

OP,
A bullseye clinic with a quality instructor is beneficial at any level. I know Masters and High Masters who have cited benefit from working with others to improve their skills. Try and find someone (ideally who shoots better than you, doesn't need to be a Master or a High Master) fairly local to where you live/shoot and ask them to watch you shoot and to give you some  advice on how you could improve. 

The following are things that helped me when I was starting out:
If you are having issues with recoil, try a centerfire gun (does not need to be perfect to bullseye standard, a typical carry style gun is fine) and then go back to 22. My 22 scores went up significantly when I started shooting 45.

As far as follow through, an air pistol is a great training tool. Also will help you learn how to read iron sights and you probably could set up a 10m air range at your home. 

A 41 is not inferior to a Pardini at all, the design is a bit older and it has some quirks. Pardini's also have their quirks which many have noted grips, trigger, and optic mounting being the main ones. As far as optics you can put a micro style dot on one, you would need a Kodiak Pardini mount.

Kodiak Pardini mount

james r chapman wrote:Kodiak Pardini mount

ummm. Am trying to visualize my Vortex Crossfire RD2 with its clamping system with that Kodiak Pardini mount. Got a pic of the opposite side? Do the 

Pardinis come with a grooved track or does the Pardini need to be tapped with screws to attach the mount to the Pardini then in turn slide the sight clamps

on the groove on the Kodiak Mount?

I have a match on Sunday, maybe there will be a .22 Pardini on the line. If there is it will likely have Aimpoint or Matchdot, Ultradot or similar.

Warne BFM 14 is the part number. Search Kenny’s shooting supply.

The Kodiak mount works with most of the Aimpoint micro copies out

bmize1 wrote:Warne BFM 14 is the part number. Search Kenny’s shooting supply.

Based on the pic it does look like that this Pardini does have a groove on top of the pistol. It does look like it would fit the mounting clamps that are on the Vortex Crossfire RD2 dot. Hopefully I will see a Pardini up close tomorrow pre match and post match.

No the factory base will not work on the Pardini.
The cross screw in the base does not have a slot to sit in.
KC Crawford has the bases in stock.
Remove the 4 screws from the factory base and screw the Kodiak base on.

TThis is the Warne rings

Here is a close up of the kodiak micro on the rail

All that said, on the newer models, you can remove front sight and mount the dot with the factory base out there as the last 2” or so now has a standard rail

bmize1 wrote:
TThis is the Warne rings

The Vortex Crossfire RD2 does not use rings. The sights is short and has no room to use rings. Hence my interest in the "groove" I saw in the pic of the the top of the Pardini that showed the Warner rings.

bmize1 wrote:Here is a close up of the kodiak micro on the rail

This pic is of a micro in the Kodiak mount

xman wrote:

bmize1 wrote:
TThis is the Warne rings

The Vortex Crossfire RD2 does not use rings. The sights is short and has no room to use rings. Hence my interest in the "groove" I saw in the pic of the the top of the Pardini that showed the Warner rings.

I thought you asked above about mounting a match dot or ultra dot.
These are the rings you need for a tube style dot. They are much higher quality than the ones Pardini sells

This was the only pic I could find of the shot standard rail at the muzzle.
I’m on vacation, but can get a better pick later in the week if you need it 

I would try to get a horizontally split ring if going that route. Keeps the zero very close when reinstalling. Vertically split rings are a pain in the rear and also put optic higher on the pistol.
Jon

The "old guys" Blankenship, Hamilton, etc. didn't need purpose built guns to do what they did. They hold most of the records yet.

A large number of shooters, and some mgfr's, tried to get the .22's as close to the 1911 as possible. The conversions have become quite common on the line from what I hear. I own 2 and like them a lot. Although unable to get to matches any more I practice BE weekly and, although I'm less strict about time, targets, and scores I still at times consider a PPG, Nelson, or  X-Esse??!  That Bug does have a bite!

Ron Habegger

So as I understand it, I will need a mount with a slot to fit the cross screw in order to fit my Vortex Crossfire. 
Looking on ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/192951026436

I could get the Pardini top drilled and tapped and use the longer of the two mounts (2 screws) and fit my Vortex to it.

All of this is conjecture at this point.

Opinions? Thoughts?

Why is this thread in the Commercial Row Section?

ssauer2004 wrote:Why is this thread in the Commercial Row Section?

Where would you like it to go to.