Enigma 41-1 without the -1 pics

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Greetings,

My S&W Collector's book says the first Model 41 was introduced in 1957 at serial #1401.

The section on the M41-1 says it was introduced about 1960 at serial #20000.

It also mentions the not all M41-1's had the "-1" stamp.

You would do well to telephone S&W and ask when your pistol was manufactured. It may be quite valuable to a collector.

Cheers,

Dave

fc60 wrote:Greetings,

My S&W Collector's book says the first Model 41 was introduced in 1957 at serial #1401.

The section on the M41-1 says it was introduced about 1960 at serial #20000.

It also mentions the not all M41-1's had the "-1" stamp.

You would do well to telephone S&W and ask when your pistol was manufactured. It may be quite valuable to a collector.

Cheers,

Dave

They will give you that info over the phone?  I am looking for that collector, we will both come out happy and not too hurt.

I doubt that you can get the date of manufacture of your S&W pistol by making a phone call, but it wouldn't hurt to try. You may get an idea of the collector interest and value of the 41-1 by joining the S&W Forum. There are a lot of experts there.

years of manufacture

Serial #___ Date of Mfg.
104XX_______ 1958
149XX_______ 1959
189XX_______ 1959
295XX_______ 1960
1120XX______ 1969
114XXX____ ~ 1969
"A" Prefix_____ 1970 with A115001
A145801_____ 1972
A225XXX_____ 1973
A235001_____ 1974
A265001_____ 1975
A295001_____ 1976
A414XXX_____ 1977
A475001_____ 1978
A5824XX_____ 1979
A5841XX_____ 1979
A7175XX_____ 1981
A7981XX_____ 1982
ADB38XX_____ 1983
A875000_____ 1984
TAA1985_____ 1985
TAK7879_____ 1986
TAT2512_____ 1987
TBL7955_____ 1988
TFJ1141_____ 1989
TFNxxxx_____ 1990
TFRxxxx_____ 1991
THD23XX_____ 1991
TZUxxxx_____ 1993
VAMxxxx_____ 1994
S&W started D&T M41 brls in 1994

Dave - does that magic book of yours give sales volumes of 41-1, or the .22 short conversion kits?

OP - The only way to substantiate your gun is an un-marked (-1) is to pay the $75 (last I checked) for a certification letter from S&W.  With that letter you will learn when you pistol first shipped and if it (based on S/N) shipped with a .22 short barrel.  If not, it's a conversion unit.  Still desirable, but not as much as a 41-1.

TargetShooter27 wrote:Dave - does that magic book of yours give sales volumes of 41-1, or the .22 short conversion kits?

OP - The only way to substantiate your gun is an un-marked (-1) is to pay the $75 (last I checked) for a certification letter from S&W.  With that letter you will learn when you pistol first shipped and if it (based on S/N) shipped with a .22 short barrel.  If not, it's a conversion unit.  Still desirable, but not as much as a 41-1.

According to the serial # chart I believe this is a 59 model 41-1 without -1 the length of the barrel and the compensator make me believe this as the conversion kits were not sold until later and the compensator and barrels were different, they only made 1000 41-1’s and even fewer conversion kits and when sales wained (I would imagine)they built complete pistols out of the remaining kits and that was that, the conversion kits have the shorter 5? Inch barrel that I have seen.

The reason for the .22 short barrel was international competition.  Those competitions required iron sights which benefit from the longer barrels sight radius. The 7-3/8" barrel was undoubtedly the most popular length in .22 short.  I've only seen a few .22 short barrels in other lengths.  If you want to know about your pistol you should request the background letter from S&W.  I have a model 41 configured in .22 short just like yours.  I know it's wearing a conversion kit because S&W certified that my pistol was sold in 1960 with a 5" .22 LR barrel.