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Post by bruce em on 5/31/2015, 8:39 pm

Any commercial or all custom?  Who made them? price point? Any Springfields out there?

What features did you like? ie barrel make, twist, diameter etc

How about ammo/loads for it?

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Post by DavidR on 6/1/2015, 10:28 am

Too many questions but here is part; custom
David Sams Beretta 92 aprox cost 3k- still being built
Accu-Lock 1911 9mm aprox cost 5400.00 - still being built
Mountain custom beretta 92 - not recommended but still available used
Accuracy X 1911 9mm cost 4k still in production
there are others but this should get it started
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Post by jmdavis on 6/1/2015, 10:52 am

I shot a Guncrafters 1911 in 9 last week. It is a NICE pistol. Tight and smooth. Not sure of the model, it was an Officer Frame with a 4.25 inch barrel. 


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Post by james r chapman on 6/1/2015, 11:16 am

I can't afford anything more than my S.A loaded in 9. (now the R.O is available.) as usual, giving it a better bushing fit improves it a bunch.
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Post by jmdavis on 6/1/2015, 11:18 am

james r chapman wrote:I can't afford anything more than my S.A loaded in 9. (now the R.O is available.) as usual, giving it a better bushing fit improves it a bunch.

Me either, but other peoples guns can be fun to shoot.
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Post by bruce em on 6/1/2015, 6:58 pm

If the 1911 in 9mm was specifically barred from EIC, what were they afraid of?

They can't block the 92 so that wasn't my question. Not too many people will spend over $2900 for a CF pistol.

Maybe I should just ask Dave S. Ed M, or Roddy?

My friend Mr Bertrand from Team Springfield had recommended a Springfield custom; wonder if anyone on the list had one.

regards

Oh and my mistake, I really didn't intend to ask about the "Best" in 9mm but I meant to ask for matchworthy guns. Just like in 45's you can get something that is good enough without spending a fortune.  I didn't want replies on ordinary stock 9mm 1911's

sorry about that!

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Post by C.Perkins on 6/1/2015, 7:28 pm

I read this thread multiple times in a row and all I can come up with is...

What was the question ?
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Post by james r chapman on 6/1/2015, 7:37 pm

Bruce, I know several PPC hi masters using S.A custom 1911' 9mm's. 5" and 6". Several use the 1-32 twist, I'm not sure who's barrels but, I've been told they have to crank the 115 gr xtp up to get  the best accuracy.

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Post by dronning on 6/2/2015, 9:43 am

The barrel on the 9MM that KC just built for me is a 1-32 twist KKM. With Atlanta Arms Match ammo at 50 yds it will put 10 rounds <1.25" (RR of course). This ammo uses the XTP bullet with Starline brass and runs 1100fps. My reloads will use Starline Brass the 115gr HAP version of the XTP bullet, 5.4gr of WSF powder, WSP primers, 1.090" OAL, no "crimp" just remove the flare.

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Post by DavidR on 6/2/2015, 9:51 am

bruce em wrote:If the 1911 in 9mm was specifically barred from EIC, what were they afraid of?

They can't block the 92 so that wasn't my question. Not too many people will spend over $2900 for a CF pistol.

Maybe I should just ask Dave S. Ed M, or Roddy?

My friend Mr Bertrand from Team Springfield had recommended a Springfield custom; wonder if anyone on the list had one.

regards

Oh and my mistake, I really didn't intend to ask about the "Best" in 9mm but I meant to ask for matchworthy guns. Just like in 45's you can get something that is good enough without spending a fortune.  I didn't want replies on ordinary stock 9mm 1911's

sorry about that!

Simple answer it did not meet the requirement of ever being a SERVICE PISTOL.

As to a springfield custom 9mm never seen anything but their 45 it runs upward of 2500.00, another match grade 92 is built by Tony Kidd not sure if he still builds them. Might also look into the SW custom shop 9mm, its no longer made but people say its very accurate. A Range officer, reworked and rebarlled is probably the cheapest way to go and still have a chance at a good score but there is more to shooting 9mm than the gun, you need top grade ammo, most shoot Atlanta arms rather than try and reload for 50 yards.
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Post by james r chapman on 6/2/2015, 10:35 am

Not true David, it is and was the official service gun of the Brazilian military.
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Post by Rob Kovach on 6/2/2015, 10:45 am

Brazil has a military?
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Post by Rob Kovach on 6/2/2015, 10:47 am

I did speak to CMP about why 9mm 1911s weren't on the approved EIC list, and they said that they didn't wan't the 9mm 1911s to have an advantage over anything else on the list.
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Post by DavidR on 6/2/2015, 11:09 am

Rob Kovach wrote:I did speak to CMP about why 9mm 1911s weren't on the approved EIC list, and they said that they didn't wan't the 9mm 1911s to have an advantage over anything else on the list.

Well if they except it as a service pistol, then it should be allowed, who is to say what gun might give a shooter an advantage. If what Rob says is true then they should be boycotted till they allow it or scrap the whole change from the 92 and 1911.
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Post by C.Perkins on 6/2/2015, 11:48 am

Brazilian armed forces is 3rd largest in the world.
IMBEL produced Colt M973 in 9mm.

Thanks to WIKI
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Post by davekp on 6/3/2015, 7:21 am

I don't understand all the interest in a 1911 based 9mm. For NRA competition the vast majority of shooters would probably do better with a 45 wad gun, and it's not legal for EIC. Am I missing something?

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Post by james r chapman on 6/3/2015, 8:44 am

Your exactly right Dave, but one segment, LEO'S, use 9 mm 1911's for their service matches and might want to crossover.

Also, the recoil consideration of a 9mm is less for we older shooters...
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Post by jmdavis on 6/3/2015, 8:53 am

Not to argue, but my wrists can take a lot more .45 wadcutters than 9mm High Velocity. That is one reason I have been interested in the fast twist experiments in 9mm. 3.6 of BE with a 185 is a light recoiling load.
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Post by DavidR on 6/3/2015, 9:31 am

IMO, Its just that they say you can use all these different guns now and  most don't give a darn about owning most of them and the one they do like is excluded.
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Post by dronning on 6/3/2015, 9:54 am

jmdavis wrote:Not to argue, but my wrists can take a lot more .45 wadcutters than 9mm High Velocity. That is one reason I have been interested in the fast twist experiments in 9mm. 3.6 of BE with a 185 is a light recoiling load.

I just had carpal tunnel surgery and my 9MM shooting 115gr bullets @ 1100fps feels much easier on my wrist than my 185gr wadcutter softball loads.

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Post by james r chapman on 6/3/2015, 10:57 am

dronning wrote:
jmdavis wrote:Not to argue, but my wrists can take a lot more .45 wadcutters than 9mm High Velocity. That is one reason I have been interested in the fast twist experiments in 9mm. 3.6 of BE with a 185 is a light recoiling load.

I just had carpal tunnel surgery and my 9MM shooting 115gr bullets @ 1100fps feels much easier on my wrist than my 185gr wadcutter softball loads.

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Post by Jon Eulette on 6/3/2015, 12:23 pm

I'm building PPC pistols right now in .45 that have less recoil than the 9mm. These 6" longslides have less recoil with 4.0 gr BE with 200 gr Magnus LSWC than typical 9mm loads being used. We will be dropping below 4.0 gr after the pistols get a few miles on them. I routinely shoot 3.4 gr BE with 185 & 200 gr LSWC and the recoil is light and extremely accurate at 25 yds. Someday I plan on trying a 1:12 twist like Jerry Keefer mentioned for 9mm in an attempt to get accurate light 9mm loads. At this point I'd take a .45 over a 9mm any and every time. one thing that is over looked when comparing pistol caliber recoil is quality of barrel fit. A properly fit barrel will reduce recoil. So just because you have 2 pistols to shoot side by side doesn't always make it a fair test.
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Post by james r chapman on 6/3/2015, 1:09 pm

Jon, coming from a trapshooting background, you'll have to explain to me how a barrel fit will affect recoil.

I know Newton said there's no free lunch...
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Post by Rob Kovach on 6/3/2015, 1:18 pm

The 1911's linked barrel design has much to do with reducing felt recoil if it is fitted properly.  Some of that energy is consumed by swinging the barrel out of battery.
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Post by Jon Eulette on 6/3/2015, 1:25 pm

Slide velocity is much of the felt recoil. Fitting barrel lugs properly can/does slow the slide velocity. I'm of the opinion BE barrel fitting is an art! 
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