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An example complete single outdoor 900 NRA Precision Pistol stage. Is this summary complete and accurate?

Post by IT1 Wes on 5/30/2018, 11:15 pm

Is this summary of an NRA Precision Pistol Tournament complete and accurate?

The three cycles of a complete Bullseye 2700 point Tournament in which each round is worth ten points include:
  900 points from .22 caliber matches,
  900 points from Centerfire, (.32 caliber or greater,) matches,
  900 points from .45 caliber Service Pistol matches.

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An example of one of three complete cycles of an outdoor 900 point NRA Precision Pistol Tournament in which each round is worth ten points could include the following matches:

Slow Fire Match
  200 points: two strings of slow fire totaling 200 points.
     Uses the NRA B6 target. The bullseye diameter is 8 inches (20 cm).
 
The command is, "LOAD," and the competitor may load with any number of rounds but not to exceed firing 10 rounds (or 5 rounds) depending on when the target is scored - (Some reduced distance matches score after only 5 rounds of slow fire.)

    Slow Fire, 50 Yards:
    
        1. Ten round string 1 on its own target in ten minutes. 100 points.
            Target scored after 10 rounds.

        2. Ten round string 2 on its own target in ten minutes. 100 points.
            Target scored after 10 rounds.

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National Match Course
   300 points consisting of the following:

     1. One 10-round slow fire string at 50 yards in ten minutes. 100 points.
         Uses the NRA B6 target. The bullseye diameter is 8 inches (20 cm).
            Target scored after 10 rounds.
   
    2. Two 5-round timed fire strings of  at 25 yards:
        Uses the NRA B8 target. The bullseye diameter is 5.5 inches (14 cm).
   
          String 1, Five rounds in 20 seconds. 50 points.
          String 2, Five rounds in 20 seconds. 50 points.
             Target scored after 10 rounds.
   
    3. Two 5-round strings of rapid fire at 25 yards:
         Uses the NRA B8 target. The bullseye diameter is 5.5 inches (14 cm).
  
            String 1, Five rounds in 10 seconds. 50 points.
            String 2, Five rounds in 10 seconds. 50 points.
               Target scored after 10 rounds.

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Timed Fire Match
200 points: Four 5-round strings of timed fire at 25 yards.
    Uses the NRA B8 target. The bullseye diameter is 5.5 inches (14 cm).

        String 1, Five rounds in 20 seconds. 50 points.
        String 2, Five rounds in 20 seconds. 50 points.
            Target scored after 10 rounds.

        String 3, Five rounds in 20 seconds. 50 points.
        String 4, Five rounds in 20 seconds. 50 points.
           Target scored after 10 rounds.

Rapid Fire Match
200 points: Four 5-round strings of rapid fire at 25 yards.
    Uses the NRA B8 target. The bullseye diameter is 5.5 inches.

       String 1, Five rounds in 10 seconds. 50 points.
       String 2, Five rounds in 10 seconds. 50 points.
          Target scored after 10 rounds.

       String 3, Five rounds in 10 seconds. 50 points.
       String 4, Five rounds in 10 seconds. 50 points.
          Target scored after 10 rounds.

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Repeat the cycles listed above for the .22 caliber matches, the centerfire matches, and the .45 caliber service pistol matches for a 2700 point Tournament.

The scoring of a 2700 point Tournament will generally consist of a .22 caliber Aggregate Match, a centerfire Aggregate Match, and a .45 caliber Aggregate Match.  These are unfired matches which are made up of the total scores from the individual fired matches. 

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Re: An example complete single outdoor 900 NRA Precision Pistol stage. Is this summary complete and accurate?

Post by CR10X on 5/31/2018, 5:39 am

The NRA book may be a little confusing because: (1) people confuse Match and Tournament, (2) there are many options for combinations of Matches that a Tournament can use, (3) people sometimes don't understand the terms of "Stages" and "Strings" and (4) the CMP has some slightly different Match formats and requirements.  

The NRA sanctions many types of Tournaments that can consist of various Matches (Fired and Unfired) and even limit to specific calibers or divisions of guns.  Most matches use the 900 Aggregate Match format or other specific matches that conform to the requires of Matches that can be used to set National Records. 

First, the 900 description is basically correct except there is the requirement to load only 5 rounds for Time Fire and Rapid Fire strings.  For slow fire the command is only "LOAD" and the competitor may load with any number of rounds but not exceed firing 10 rounds (or 5 rounds) depending on when the target is scored - some reduced distance matches score after only 5 shots slow fire). 

And the last line is incorrect, there is no Rimfire, Centerfire or Service Pistol "stage" in NRA matches.   For a 2700 Tournament there will generally be a .22 Aggregate Match, CF Aggregate Match and .45 Aggregate Match.  These are unfired Matches which are made up of the total scores from the individual fired Matches.  A "stage" is a portion of a fired Match which has different conditions than other portions of that Match (such as the different distances and times for a National Match Course Match). 

If you read a Tournament Program, it should (actually supposed to ) specify the Aggregates, individual Matches and course of fire to be used for that Tournament.   

For example a typical 2700 fired at 50 and 25 yards which is used at our Tournaments would be 3 Aggregate Matches (.22, CF, and .45) 

Aggregate Match (fired with .22, CF, .45 for a total of 3 different Aggregate Matches) 

Each Aggregate Match will consist of these Fired Matches: 

Slow Fire Match - 2 strings of 10 shots each in 10 minutes (scored after 10 shots - Targets 1 and 2) (200 points) 

National Match Course - Slow Fire Stage - 1 string of 10 shots in 10 minutes (scored after 10 shots)
National Match Course - Time Fire Stage - 2 strings of 5 shots each in 20 seconds (scored after 10 shots) 
National Match Course - Rapid Fire Stage - 2 strings of 5 shots each in 10 seconds (scored after 10 shots)
National Match Course Match (300 points)

Timed Fire Match - 4 strings of 5 shots each in 20 seconds (scored after 10 shots - Targets 1 and 2) (200 points)

Rapid Fire Match - 4 strings of 5 shots each in 10 seconds (scored after 10 shots - Targets 1 and 2) (200 points)

Aggregate Match Total (Unfired) = Total of Fired Matches (Slow Fire, NMC, TF and RF = 90 shots - 900 possible points) 

Do that 3 times with a .22, CF and .45 caliber guns and you have a 2700 Aggregate Match (generally the complete Tournament)

Hope this helps. 

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Post by IT1 Wes on 5/31/2018, 9:34 am

Thank you, CR10X, for your suggestions. I have edited my original post to include your suggestions. Please re-read my original post to see whether I corrected everything.

The "Bullseye Timer" application on my smartphone has commands referring to loading five rounds. "With five rounds load." What additional commands like this could I include. Excepting too much detail such as repeating, "Is the line ready?" etc. everywhere might be a bit much.
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Post by cdrt on 5/31/2018, 9:48 am

I'm getting the impression that you are looking to standardize your range commands for a given tournament.  Below is what I give out for those that are going to call the line.  Not sure if this is what you are looking for or if it will help.

When you call Shooters to the Line, say: Shooters to the Line. The range is Clear, you may handle your firearms.
Note: At the command “Is the line ready”, there is a three second delay between each command.

Slow Fire: "This is the first (or second) stage of the Slow Fire match; 10 shots in 10 minutes.”
“With up to 10 (ten) rounds, LOAD.”
"Is the line ready? (pause and look down the line)
"The line IS ready.
"Ready on the right..
"Ready on the left...
"Ready on the firing line...
"Commence fire; you have ten minutes."

"This is the Slow Fire stage of the National Match Course; 10 shots in 10
minutes.”
“With up to 10 (ten) rounds, LOAD.”
"Is the line ready? (pause and look down the line)
"The line IS ready.
"Ready on the right..
"Ready on the left...
"Ready on the firing line...
"Commence fire; you have ten minutes."

Timed Fire: "This will be the Timed Fire portion of the National Match Course, two, five shot strings, 20 seconds per string.
"For your first (or second) string of Time Fire, with 5 rounds, LOAD."
"Is the line ready? (pause and look at the line)
"The line IS ready.
"Ready on the right...(wait 3 seconds).
"Ready on the left...(wait 3 seconds)
"Ready on the firing line...
After three seconds, the targets are faced for the required time, then edge once more.

Rapid Fire: "This will be the Rapid Fire portion of the National Match Course, two, five shot strings, 10 seconds per string.
"For your first (or second) string of Rapid Fire, with 5 rounds, LOAD."
"Is the line ready? (pause and look at the line)
"The line IS ready.
"Ready on the right...(wait 3 seconds).
"Ready on the left...(wait 3 seconds)
"Ready on the firing line...
After three seconds, the targets are faced for the required time, then edge
once more.

After each 10 rounds, the following set of commands are given:
"CEASE FIRING; or the targets turn away indicating a cease fire.
ARE THERE ANY REFIRES (ALIBIES)? (IF A SHOOTER EXPERIENCES A MALFUNCTION, THE SHOOTER SHALL RAISE NON-SHOOTINGHAND AND NOT ATTEMPT TO CLEAR PISTOL UNTIL IT HAS BEEN CLEARED BY A RANGE OFFICIAL)

- UNLOAD - CYLINDERS OPEN - MAGAZINES OUT - SLIDES BACK – EMPTY CHAMBER INDICATORS IN PLACE - GUNS ON THE TABLE.”

The Range Officer then asks “IS THE LINE SAFE ON THE RIGHT? IS THE LINE SAFE ON THE LEFT?” On this command all Assistant Range Officers and scorers check their competitors to make sure each one obeys the command before signaling the Range Officer that their portion of the firing line is safe. When all Assistant Range Officers and scorers have given a signal that the range is safe, the Range Officer commands “THE LINE IS SAFE, GO FORWARD, SCORE TARGETS AND POST (with the appropriate target ”).

(And if appropriate), TURN IN YOUR SCORE CARDS.

Subsequent Timed and Rapid Fire stages use the format from above, except that each string would be prefaced by:
This is the first (or second) stage of the Timed (or Rapid) Fire match; two, five shot strings 20 (or 10 seconds) per string.
For your first (second, third, fourth) string of Timed (or Rapid) Fire, with 5 rounds, load.
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Post by IT1 Wes on 5/31/2018, 10:09 am

Thanks, cdrt. This is exactly what I was looking for. Now I can interweave them into what I have and compile a complete experience or storyline. I've saved your post to my hard drive.
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Post by cdrt on 5/31/2018, 11:15 am

Glad to help.  One small advisory if you ever run a CMP Service Pistol or .22 EIC match.  You can use these commands for CMP matches as well, but there is a slight difference during slow fire.  The CMP requires you to load with five rounds, not "up to ten" and then reload with a second magazine of five.  You can check the CMP Service Rule Book for the exact language.
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Post by Ed Hall on 5/31/2018, 4:08 pm

Hate to be a "rules nazi" here, but the rulebook has an extensive list of commands, some suggested and some stated as though they are required.  I have tried to change my command set to match what the NRA suggests, even though I prefer my earlier ones.  The rule book should be read over, especially rule 10.7, which includes the following "suggestion" for slow fire:

NRA wrote:Note: In slow fire events, which are scored after 10 shots, the com-
mand should be “10 SHOTS SLOW FIRE, 10 SHOTS IN 10 MIN-
UTES, LOAD.” (The number of rounds to be loaded by the com-
petitor in slow fire stages will be determined by the competitor.)

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Post by CR10X on 6/2/2018, 1:54 pm

Ok, maybe you are looking for a match command script?

If so, here is the script with recommended commands, safety briefing, sight in period, prep period, etc.  This is set up for 50 and 25 yard, 900 Aggregate match.  Spoken commands (or alternative commands) are in bold.

Might want to review,  I just made a few minor corrections since we have not used this versions since we got an automated target time (it does the ready on right, left, etc.) 

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