Zero 147 JHP?

by orpheoet Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:55 pm

Is anybody using these for EIC. I'd appreciate some load data especially COL.

by LenV Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:02 pm

Going out on a limb I am going to "assume" your talking about 9mm. I use a lot of 147 JHP and Hornady RNBT. I prefer the RN since it feeds perfectly every time and have had a couple of jams when the HP noses into the ramp. I load both with 5.1gr Power Pistol and the JHP have a C.O.L. of 1.115". I load both those bullets in my 38 Super also.

Len

by JIMPGOV Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:30 am

OAL 1.142
4.0GR WSF OR 4.2GR VV330

by SmokinNJokin Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:26 pm

JIMPGOV wrote:OAL 1.142
4.0GR WSF OR 4.2GR VV330

Per Jim's recommendation, this has been my go-to 9mm load in everything (with wsf). I use it for bullseye long line, carry gun (glockenstein), carbine (CZ scorpion evo), you name it. The 147 Zero and XTP are fantastic bullets, they really are versatile.

Just be warned, this is not a weak load. Recoil is stout but not unpleasant. It feels nothing like my powderpuff .45 loads. I would highly recommend using a reduced load for short line unless you have a heavy slide mount (aimpoint 3000 or the like).

Be warned, this is not a good bullet choice if you have a 1:32 and is marginal with 1:18. Good for 1:16 and ideal for 1:10.

by orpheoet Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:49 pm

Thanks all. Its for a Beretta 92 1:18 KKM barrel. I'll most likely use 115 gr JHP but I thought I'd experiment a little. Definitely looking for short line loads

by jlow Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:41 pm

I don't use this bullet but their 115gr 9mm JHP. However, when I was talking to their support person at the company a few weeks ago, they gave me their COAL for their in house reloading of all their bullet.

For the 147gr Zero JHP, they use two COALs either 1.105" or 1.120". MV was 1100fps and 915fps respectively. They of course did not give me the powder or powder weight, but those numbers should help you.

If you have any concerns, you can of course just call and ask them. They were quite helpful over the phone. I used their COAL for my 115gr JHP and they shot well and my MV match theirs.

by Multiracer Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:44 pm

orpheoet wrote:Thanks all. Its for a Beretta 92 1:18 KKM barrel. I'll most likely use 115 gr JHP but I thought I'd experiment a little. Definitely looking for short line loads
Damn that is pretty.

by Multiracer Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:46 pm

Why such a huge weight difference in 9mm bullets ?

by **Wobbley** Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:11 pm

Between 147 and 115?

Fundamentally suppressors. In order to get reliable functioning and energy downrange with a suppressed bullet, the weight had to increase.

by Multiracer Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:46 pm

Wasn't the 9mm developed around a 124G bullet ?

by **Wobbley** Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:14 pm

121-124. It was the truncated cone.

by Bigtrout Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:43 pm

I've just started to load Zero 147 JHP for the first time using 4.1 CFE, 1.100 COL and no crimp. One session showed promise. It's still very wintry here and I don't expect much in the way of results until maybe a few days in march. It seems when it's above freezing the wind is always too strong to shoot 50 yd. BTW my trials at 50 are all with the S&W 986.

by pgg Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:56 am

SmokinNJokin wrote:
JIMPGOV wrote:OAL 1.142
4.0GR WSF OR 4.2GR VV330

Per Jim's recommendation, this has been my go-to 9mm load in everything (with wsf). I use it for bullseye long line, carry gun (glockenstein), carbine (CZ scorpion evo), you name it. The 147 Zero and XTP are fantastic bullets, they really are versatile.

Just be warned, this is not a weak load. Recoil is stout but not unpleasant. It feels nothing like my powderpuff .45 loads. I would highly recommend using a reduced load for short line unless you have a heavy slide mount (aimpoint 3000 or the like).

Be warned, this is not a good bullet choice if you have a 1:32 and is marginal with 1:18. Good for 1:16 and ideal for 1:10.

Anyone loading reduced power 9mm loads for the timed/rapid fire?

I see some people out there shooting light loads for the action pistol games. 147 gr bullets and low charges of fast-burning powders like Titegroup, N320, even N310 for muzzle velocities around 750-800 fps.

Is there a downside to doing this in bullseye, assuming the load reliably cycles the gun?

I don't have any of those fast powders else I'd try it myself. Just curious.

by **Wobbley** Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:05 am

People do it in 38 super. No reason why it wouldn’t work in 9mm. Provided it’s accurate.

by LenV Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:36 am

The OP was about EIC loads. The really mild loads for a 9 get into the area of being unsafe for jacketed bullets. I have a bunch of safe low velocity lead loads but none for jacketed. I never wanted to play that game. If your looking for a little less recoil look at the 115gr XTP, HAP or Zero. At a low book load.

Len

by pgg Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:41 pm

Reduced power loads are OK for EIC matches, didn't think I was derailing the thread. Smile

At least, there's no minimum power factor that has to be met like some of the other games. Just the any safe ammo rule.

I might pick up some N310 and 145 LRNs to experiment, just for grins. Vihtavuori has book data for those. Supposedly heavy bullets + fast powders are the formula for soft shooting loads. N310 is about as fast as any powder gets.

My 9mm EIC pistol load (4.0 of WSF and 147 XTP) is pretty snappy and I have some trouble quickly settling back on target in the rapids. Hence my interest.

by David R Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:25 pm

Loaded some lead coated 147 Flat nose from S&S. I goofed and loaded 3.0 Unique. The I bumped it up to 3.4 like I was supposed to. This should give me 860 fps from my 5" 1911.

Initial test at 25 yards of the 3.4 showed good grouping.

The 3.0 load did function my gun with stock 10 lb spring. Accuracy was not great. I shot into a cardboard box at 25 yards. The initial holes were round, but the back side holes were sideways. This was with the 3.0 Unique, about 750? fps.

More tests needed. I did load up the rest of the 500 with 3.4 Unique. OAL 1.165" I will chronograph these and shoot off the bench at 25 and 50 yards.

I hope this is not off topic. I just looked this up.
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AMMUNITION

The CMP will issue military surplus 9mm M882 ammunition that must be fired in SAFS practice and the EIC match. All competitors must fire this ammunition.
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David

by Dr.Don Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:34 pm

The load in the picture was developed to try and duplicate the ballistics of the 38 Sp 148 wadcutter load in 9mm. The group was shot using the 9mm pistol in my Avatar, which has a 10" twist barrel and frame mounted dot. The load chronographs about 725 fps and shoots well in this gun. The group is typical. The load is way below anything you will find in a manual and I take no responsibility for it whatever.

by Bill Treanor Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:47 pm

For a low recoiling short line load, I've had great luck with 4.0 to 4.2 gr. Power Pistol below a 147 gr. bullet out of my Sams KKM-barreled Beretta 92. I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but I find that the 147 gr. bullets create less recoil and are definitely less "snappy". For the long line, I use a Hornady HAP 115 gr. bullet with about 6.0 to 6.2 gr. Power Pistol.

by james r chapman Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:50 pm

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David R wrote:Loaded some lead coated 147 Flat nose from S&S. I goofed and loaded 3.0 Unique. The I bumped it up to 3.4 like I was supposed to. This should give me 860 fps from my 5" 1911.

Initial test at 25 yards of the 3.4 showed good grouping.

The 3.0 load did function my gun with stock 10 lb spring. Accuracy was not great. I shot into a cardboard box at 25 yards. The initial holes were round, but the back side holes were sideways. This was with the 3.0 Unique, about 750? fps.

More tests needed. I did load up the rest of the 500 with 3.4 Unique. OAL 1.165" I will chronograph these and shoot off the bench at 25 and 50 yards.

I hope this is not off topic. I just looked this up.
******************************************************************************************************
AMMUNITION

The CMP will issue military surplus 9mm M882 ammunition that must be fired in SAFS practice and the EIC match. All competitors must fire this ammunition.
***************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

David

That’s for the class 9mm EIC, not the CMP EIC match which is bring your own gun and ammo

by Bigtrout Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:34 pm

Doc, what was the OAL for the 10 shot group?

by LenV Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:35 pm

I guess I should be clear. I know reduced loads for EIC are perfectly legal. It is just that Jacketed bullets require more powder to guarantee that the bullet clears the barrel and in the heat of the moment you don't fire a second round onto a squib. Jacketed are a whole different animal then coated bullets. 147gr Zero are jacketed.

Len

by Dr.Don Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:12 pm

Bigtrout, the OAL was about 1.063.

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