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Post by Dcforman Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:37 pm

OK, well...

The new service pistol rules indicate a 42oz. weight limit. My Rock River with the combo rail was about 1.25oz overweight. Swapped out the full length guide rod for a GI unit. Now I'm over by 13 measly grams. Removed the skateboard tape, down to 9 grams, but I dont really want to lose that. It wears sharkskin grips, so not much to lose there. 

Where else can I buy 13 grams? Found a couple aluminum and even G10 mainspring housings online (Hogue). Any one have experience with these? It's getting wrapped in skateboard tape anyway, so not worried about external wear or grip. Other ideas? Not a fan of altering the frame or rail.

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Post by DA/SA Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:02 pm

Weigh some different magazines?
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Post by javaduke Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:04 pm

I highly doubt anyone will weigh your pistol to that level of precision. Worst case, the rail can have some material removed from underneath. Slide can also be cut in some places to make it a little bit lighter. But again, I really wouldn't bother, unless this year at Perry they will weigh the whole gun in addition to checking the trigger weight.

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Post by chiz1180 Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:20 pm

Weight reduction on the rib is the best option short of more standard sights.

I would 100% plan on them weighing service pistols at Perry, also probably best to be under 42oz with some room for differences in scale calibration.
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Post by Richard Benoit Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:02 pm

Dcforman wrote:OK, well...

The new service pistol rules indicate a 42oz. weight limit. My Rock River with the combo rail was about 1.25oz overweight. Swapped out the full length guide rod for a GI unit. Now I'm over by 13 measly grams. Removed the skateboard tape, down to 9 grams, but I dont really want to lose that. It wears sharkskin grips, so not much to lose there. 

Where else can I buy 13 grams? Found a couple aluminum and even G10 mainspring housings online (Hogue). Any one have experience with these? It's getting wrapped in skateboard tape anyway, so not worried about external wear or grip. Other ideas? Not a fan of altering the frame or rail.

Thanks!

Dave
I weighed 2 steel and 1 alum. mainspring housings, all flat. #1 steel 1.6 oz. or 45 gr , #2 steel 1.7 oz. or 49 gr. , alum. .6 oz. or 16 gr. . I had the alum. in a gun I bought used , didn't know it was alum. for over a year. Probably has a 19# main spring , shows no sign of wear. Hope that helps.

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Post by mspingeld Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:12 pm

Last I checked, the combo rail was not allowed for service pistol. Did that rule changes?


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Post by chiz1180 Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:15 pm

mspingeld wrote:Last I checked, the combo trail was not allowed for service pistol. Did that rule changes?
Rules were updated this year. 

Link to summary 
https://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/PistolRuleChanges.pdf
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Post by Dcforman Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:42 pm

Richard Benoit wrote:
Dcforman wrote:OK, well...

The new service pistol rules indicate a 42oz. weight limit. My Rock River with the combo rail was about 1.25oz overweight. Swapped out the full length guide rod for a GI unit. Now I'm over by 13 measly grams. Removed the skateboard tape, down to 9 grams, but I dont really want to lose that. It wears sharkskin grips, so not much to lose there. 

Where else can I buy 13 grams? Found a couple aluminum and even G10 mainspring housings online (Hogue). Any one have experience with these? It's getting wrapped in skateboard tape anyway, so not worried about external wear or grip. Other ideas? Not a fan of altering the frame or rail.

Thanks!

Dave
I weighed 2 steel and 1 alum. mainspring housings, all flat. #1 steel 1.6 oz. or 45 gr , #2 steel 1.7 oz. or 49 gr. , alum. .6 oz. or 16 gr. . I had the alum. in a gun I bought used , didn't know it was alum. for over a year. Probably has a 19# main spring , shows no sign of wear. Hope that helps.
Thank you. Quite helpful. They're cheap enough that I'll give one a shot.

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Post by mspingeld Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:54 pm

Just confirmed with Jim Henderson that the combo rail is permitted.

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Post by Merick Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:58 am

I think there is such a thing as plastic mainspring housings, and plastic triggers.

Other ideas are thin grips & escutions, and non bevertail grip saftey.

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Post by jglenn21 Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:56 am

Aluminum mainspring housing will get you there
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Post by BE Mike Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:39 am

How about a plastic mainspring housing?
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Post by jglenn21 Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:52 am

The colt plastic seem ok...
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Post by tovaert Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:08 pm

If I can make a suggestion...email Jim and explain the situation. There is still lotsa time to iron this out. I don't think he would want to see previously qualifying 1911 pistols butchered up to save an ounce or two. I would also assume that he would not want Rock River to lose business because these combo rails cause a good pistol to be disqualified, or to know that their combo rail in itself disqualifies a pistol. I think a basic poll here with a bunch of 1911 weights would start the ball rolling, accounting for things like guide rod differences and stainless vs. carbon steel, etc. With a known combo rail weight, and let's say, 1 oz of fudge factor thrown in, one could make a reasonable suggestion to the CMP to change that 42 ounce limit to XX oz. So I'll start (no magazine inserted):

Pre-70s Colt 1911 .45ACP:  35.85 oz (it came with the lightened slide)
SA RO 1911 9mm:   39.60 oz

Both installed with a FL guide rod.

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Post by chiz1180 Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:51 pm

Plenty of viable options under 42oz, I can guarantee Jim did his homework within the 1911 platform and outside it (eg m9s, p320 variants, ect.). My colt kit gun is 38oz with a bomar rib (without magazine). If you want to shoot a rib, plenty of options outside of rock river.
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Post by tovaert Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:36 pm

I thought the idea was to be able to shoot irons or optic on the same gun, leaving the rail installed. Permanent installation.

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Post by Dcforman Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:51 pm

Combo rib is easily removable, but the slide doesn't have sight cuts. So off to the smith, or perhaps a Bomar rail. At any rate, I have a wilson combat aluminum MSH on the way. Should take care of the problem, and I might even be able to reinstall the FLGR.

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Post by John B Fowler Wed Jan 25, 2023 4:10 pm

Would there be any problem with drilling some 1/4" holes in the frame under the grips as was done to lighten bicycle and car racing components back in the day?

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