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.223 and Titegroup

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Post by MuayThaiJJ Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:01 pm

Hey gang,

I've scoured Google and found a lot of mentions that Hodgdon lists 3.1gn of Titegroup working with .223
I did this load with some 55gr-62gr FMJ and had 2 squibs.

The only confirmed source I could find on Titegroup and .223 was on this forum, a user reportedly used 4.0gn of Titegroup: https://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=709898#p709898

Does anyone else have confirmed loads of .223 with TG?

thanks!
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Post by PhotoEscape Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:25 pm

MuayThaiJJ wrote:Hey gang,

I've scoured Google and found a lot of mentions that Hodgdon lists 3.1gn of Titegroup working with .223
I did this load with some 55gr-62gr FMJ and had 2 squibs.

The only confirmed source I could find on Titegroup and .223 was on this forum, a user reportedly used 4.0gn of Titegroup: https://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=709898#p709898

Does anyone else have confirmed loads of .223 with TG?

thanks!
N
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Post by NukeMMC Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:33 pm

I was doing some sub stuff with a 5.56 RPR a few years ago. Trail Boss and 77smk or 80smk. Not my gig, though. Rather do 300bo with 180/190
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Post by Wobbley Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:45 pm

Here is the ONLY Hodgdon data for 223.  I wouldn’t recommend it at all, but here it is.

https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/hodgdon/hodgdon-titegroup
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Post by SteveT Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:00 pm

This is a bit off topic and WAY beyond my knowledge so take all this with about 7,000 grains of salt. I assume you are trying to keep the bullets subsonic and burn all the powder before the bullet exits to help suppress the sound.

My first thought is that maybe they weren't squibs, there just wasn't enough energy to push the bullet out the barrel.

My second thought is that Titegroup is one of the worst choices for something like that because it is the densest "fast" powder we use in pistol and shotgun. It's going to sit down in the bottom of the case so the primer flame might jet over the top and not ignite or it might be so spread out that it burns from kernel to kernel slowly. I don't know if that's really true, it's just my intuition.

Trailboss is the least dense pistol / shotgun powder, so it will fill a lot more of the case, followed by Clays then Solo 1000, WST, N320, Bullseye and N310.

My measurements in Grains per Turn in a Dillon powder measure
0.38   Trail Boss
0.58   Clays
0.65   Solo 1000
0.70   N320
0.71   WST
0.78   Bullseye
0.78   N310
0.94   Power Pistol
0.94   W231
1.00   Titegroup
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Post by MuayThaiJJ Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:03 pm

Thanks for that, I do have Clays on hand as well and might try that
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Post by rich.tullo Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:42 am

Too fast for RIFLE Varget and 4166 are the most popular powders for 223. Maybe try CFE rifle. If for some reason you want run pistol powder out of a rifle cartridge , I would go with universal and a heavier bullet like 85gn.
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Post by chopper Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:38 pm

Varget is a much better powder for the heavier bullets.
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Post by Arthur Mon Apr 24, 2023 7:27 pm

Please don't use that powder in a .223. You are begging for a double charge (kaboom). Not to mention terrible performance. 
Lots of suitable powders out there that have sensable % case fill. Reloader 15, Varget are my favorites, great performance. 

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