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Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by SMBeyer on Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:33 pm

I just put the last of my Hercules Bullseye in the powder measure. I will now have to switch to Alliant Bullseye. Will I have to do load development again or is the switch a seamless one?
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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by C.Perkins on Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:55 pm

Error to the side of caution.
With light BE loads may not be a bad thing, but like I said...
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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by Rob Kovach on Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:06 pm

I'm interested in the same question. I just finished off my last batch of Hercules Bullseye...I run 4.2 grains Hercules BE under 185JHP's and 3.9-4.0 under 185 LSWC.

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by Colt711 on Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:37 am

I think you may see more variation lot to lot with Alliant. I don't recall much change in that regard w/ Hercules. I have run the same basic load for a long time BUT a few yrs ago I ran into a 4 lber that required a .35 increase for reliable functioning. The load is 4.15 under a 160 and using a slide mount. I have a set of 3 bushings used over the years. A 4.0, 4.15, & 4.25. These are what the bushings USUALLY drop over the various lots. Again there can be some slight variation.
When I called Alliant about the light loads mentioned above I was informed the 4.2 BE load was too light to expect reliability.
I expect these variations and try to use 8 lb kegs. If I get a 4 I will try to get another soon and blend them.
Just partt of the fun!!
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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by Dave C. on Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:33 am

I have had Hercules powder given to me several times (thank you to all the people that say it does not burn clean enough!)
And it is the same as the Aliant Bullseye powder. Treat it like any other new can of powder.

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by BE Mike on Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:55 am

Wow that is some old powder! How long ago did Hercules become Alliant? As a long time shooter, I started reloading my first rounds using Hercules Bullseye powder. When the company switched hands, I started using Alliant Bullseye. I never noticed any difference in performance.

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by Dave C. on Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:03 pm

I've been loading Bullseye for 29 years.

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by djm026 on Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:51 pm

IM on my last can of bullseye.What is alliant did they change the name??

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by james r chapman on Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:04 pm



COMPANY NEWS; ALLIANT TO BUY HERCULES INC.'S AEROSPACE OPERATIONS


Published: November 01, 1994

Alliant Techsystems Inc. has signed a definitive agreement to acquire Hercules
Inc.'s aerospace operations for $412 million in cash and stock, about 12
percent less than the price first announced in July. On Friday, the
company said its definitive agreement would be less than the $465
million value announced before. The agreement calls for Alliant to pay
less cash and more stock for the unit and buy back 57 percent fewer
shares. Under the agreement, Hercules will get $300 million in cash and
3.86 million new shares of Alliant stock valued at $29 a share. With the
acquisition, Alliant will be a $1.4 billion company employing about
10,200 workers.

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by Rob Kovach on Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:16 pm

Bullseye used to be made by Hercules. Bullseye powder has been around for like 100 years...most of those years it was made by Hercules. Hercules sold all of its divisions in 2008, but the powder division sold to Alliant before that in 1994. Some of us are just now consuming the last of the Hercules stuff. If you didn't know there was any other kind of Bullseye powder, then you don't have anything to worry about.

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by DavidR on Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:11 am

Ive loaded and shot both early 90s and current and cant tell any difference, a friend has a old keg from the 60-70s and it is more powerful, his 3.6 gr loads are comparable to my 3.9 loads

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by Rob Kovach on Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:53 pm


My old can of BE next to my new can.

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by BE Mike on Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:41 am

Dave C. wrote:I've been loading Bullseye for 29 years.

Dave C.

I started using Bullseye powder in either late 1970 or early 1971. I started out reloading using the Lee reloader... yes, the one that comes in a little box and one uses a mallet to perform the operations. Going that slowly with the Lee kit, I was motivated to go to something faster and easier. It didn't take me too long to save up for a Lyman Spartan single-stage press kit. Luckily a buddy ran a part-time (hobby) gun business in his garage (those were the good ole days) and gave me a great deal on the Lyman equipment.

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by JLK on Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:39 am

BE Mike,
We both started about the same time.
Remember the cube shaped cans the powder came in?
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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by Jerry Keefer on Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:51 am

I still have quite a bit of the old original... Smile

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by DavidR on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:00 pm

wow Jerry thats impressive, the keg on right is what my friend had, good stuff!

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by Jack H on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:26 pm

I too recently ran out of my "old" BE. I have not seen much difference in the new BE. Back in my rifle day, starting in the late 50s, my dad and I used mostly H4831, 4350, and BLC in several rifles. We had the 4831 in 100# kegs. I think we had 3 of them through the years. 4831 goes fast in .378Wby magnums.

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by james r chapman on Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:52 pm

I know the feeling. I just used up the last of my Hercules Unique! Shocked




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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by BE Mike on Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:03 pm

Jerry Keefer wrote:I still have quite a bit of the old original... Smile
Show off! Wink BTW, could I borrow a cup of Bullseye? clown

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by Rob Kovach on Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:55 pm

Awesome Bullseye stashes!

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by JLK on Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:23 am

Jerry,
What time frame was the red metal canister from?
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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by djm026 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:04 am

anybody know where i can buy some bulls-eye powder??

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by Rob Kovach on Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:31 pm

I just shot my first batch of Alliant Bullseye, and I would say it's exactly the same power as my previous batch of Hercules Bullseye.

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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by Jerry Keefer on Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:34 pm

JLK wrote:Jerry,
What time frame was the red metal canister from?
JLK
I did some searching, but I can't find anything on the red metal can as far as dates. .. I have several of the same in Unique, also. No dates on the cans.
I did find that a company named Laflin & Rand were the originators of Bullseye powder in 1898. It is the oldest smokeless powder still being manufactured.
I have had good luck with it on short line.. But I can't say I've shot great RR or barrel tester groups with it at 50.
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Re: Hercules to Alliant Bullseye

Post by Colt711 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:44 pm

I bought a red "keg" of BE in '70 or '71.
3 lbs for something like $10 or $12.
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