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Post by Rob Kovach on 6/7/2015, 10:53 pm

I know we have talked about this before, but....
2 weeks ago I shot 1644/1800 for an average of 91.333%
Today I shot 1617/1800 for an average of 89.833%
My running 360 is 3261/3600 for an average of 90.583%

Barring anything weird with the reporting of the scores, does that mean I should be getting my expert card, or would I have had to shoot over 1620 today?
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Post by LenV on 6/8/2015, 9:11 am

Rob,  In a perfect world the NRA would record scores in order. That doesn't always happen. I do not know what you fired in the match before those two but it could be mingled in the middle or reversed. But if there is nothing weird as you say you should be a expert now. Keep your fingers crossed.

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Post by dronning on 6/8/2015, 11:20 am

The NRA enters them in the order received and league scores are entered when the league is over not after each match. So you are at the mercy of when the scores are submitted.

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Post by dstates on 6/8/2015, 12:07 pm

Ok... I'm going to add to Rob's question.  Hopefully he doesn't mind.

With the following assumptions:
-Scores were submitted to the NRA in the correct order
-The NRA is slow

And the following situation (for discussion purposes only):
-he shoots below 90% at his next match and those scores are submitted

Will he still get an expert card if by the time the NRA gets around to evaluating his classification the 3rd set of scores are submitted?

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Post by Rob Kovach on 6/8/2015, 12:41 pm

^^^That's a great question^^^^
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Post by john bickar on 6/8/2015, 1:03 pm

dstates wrote:Ok... I'm going to add to Rob's question.  Hopefully he doesn't mind.

With the following assumptions:
-Scores were submitted to the NRA in the correct order
-The NRA is slow

And the following situation (for discussion purposes only):
-he shoots below 90% at his next match and those scores are submitted

Will he still get an expert card if by the time the NRA gets around to evaluating his classification the 3rd set of scores are submitted?

Yes, in theory. They use a sliding window for re-classification purposes.

They're not that slow. I shot a high power match in early May that bumped me up to the next classification; it was updated online within a couple of weeks, and I got my card in the mail in early June.
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Post by dstates on 6/8/2015, 3:28 pm

They were slow for me.  I shot two matches last fall (~Sept) which drove a new card and I didn't see the change online until April and a new card in May.

Do they do any classification changes between now and the National Matches?  It would stink to get bumped right before Perry.

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Post by Froneck on 6/8/2015, 5:49 pm

There is a cut-off before the National Matches so that scores just before the match would not bump any one up! However it does happen and while inline I have heard guys complain and their classification was lowered to what it was before the cut-off date. It happened to me, I lived in NJ and would leave very early and stay at wife's family in PA. Then complete the trip a few days later. I shot as an Expert and knew nothing about being bumped up until I got home. Master card was in the mail, came the day I left to go to PA.
 The cut-off date was in the rules someplace but it's been a long time since I looked. Maybe it was changed.

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Post by sixftunda on 6/8/2015, 7:24 pm

A match is only used once in computing your average (19.17a).  So if the match you shot two weeks ago was already used by the NRA, you will have to shoot another Expert score at your next match.
For example, I have shot four matches this year so far:
1. 2609
2. 2622
3. 2621
4. 2603

Even though I shot two matches in a row over 97%, I might not get the HM card depending on how the NRA combines them for classification.
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Post by john bickar on 6/8/2015, 8:07 pm

No, it works on a sliding window. You'll get a HM card. Congrats!

A score can only be used once to establish a new classification. If you were an EX you'd get reclassified as a MA (and stay a MA) if those were the way the scores were processed by the NRA in order.
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Post by sixftunda on 6/8/2015, 8:17 pm

I think I understand this now. 
You cannot use the same score twice to change classifications BUT it can be used more than once to calculate an average.
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Post by john bickar on 6/8/2015, 8:48 pm

I'm pretty sure that's right. It's not entirely clear from RTFRB, but I'm pretty sure that's the way it works in practice.

My last 4 scores in HP (it takes 3 matches to get reclassified in HP) were EX-MA-MA-MA. No combination of 3 consecutive scores other than those three MA scores would have earned me a MA card, yet it showed up in my mailbox.
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Post by LenV on 7/22/2015, 12:33 am

Don't keep us in suspense. Did you ever hear from the NRA? Just curious because A. I wondered how it was going to work out for you. B. because I am still waiting for a new card and wonder what the wait time is.

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Post by james r chapman on 7/22/2015, 4:48 am

One nice thing about ATA trapshooting now is the online shooter information center that quickly posts your recent scores and your current and past years averages.
They also allow you to print out a new classification card on your printer.

pretty nifty NRA, (hint, hint)

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Post by Rob Kovach on 7/22/2015, 12:28 pm

Still NOTHING!

I just checked my online Classification lookup, and I'm still a Sharpshooter.  I figure they will be processing classification bumps after they get done with Camp Perry stuff.

I'm really not in a hurry for the Classification bump...I'm really still focused on the EIC badge.
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Post by DavidR on 7/22/2015, 12:35 pm

perry always slows them down, they will catch up. Don't be so in a hurry to be in the expert class, its the one that's relatively easy to get into if your really trying and the hardest to get out of even when your trying even harder lol!
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Post by dstates on 7/22/2015, 12:38 pm

I also was expecting a classification bump before Perry.  I just checked online and I got bumped.  I'll probably see a new card in the mail soon.  It says it is effecive Aug 4th.  The timing worked out well for me in the end.

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Post by Colt711 on 7/24/2015, 11:11 pm

I used to hear shooters say there would be a new classification card at the Perry reg office.

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Post by Rob Kovach on 7/25/2015, 8:15 pm

I used to hear that as well.  The new "classification lookup" website has me checking there to see if my classification bump has been processed yet....still SS for me.
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Post by Rob Kovach on 9/19/2015, 12:24 pm

Still nothing....I don't think I've scored a sub 90% aggregate this year except for camp perry (88.5%)--and that's all with 4lb trigger and iron sights for CF and .45.  I am "cheating" with 4lb trigger and a red dot for .22!
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Post by C.Perkins on 9/19/2015, 6:06 pm

I would email the NRA to see if your scores were actually turned into them.

Oh, a red dot on your .22 ?
I thought you were all irons only ?
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Post by Rob Kovach on 9/19/2015, 8:05 pm

I started cheating with the red dot on the .22 last fall when Zins told me to. It let's me see errors in grip and trigger control easier. I'm still shooting the same scores between .22 and .45.

I went back through the scores and I did find a sub 90% match since perry. I still should have made it before that though.
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Post by nmbuzz on 9/26/2015, 9:13 pm

I just received my Outdoor Expert card in the mail.  When the NRA sent me my Marksman and Sharpshooter
cards they were accompanied by corresponding decals . Two to three of two sizes denoting my classification.
 I received nothing with my Expert card. Does the NRA no longer provide these to shooters?   NMBUZZ
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Post by Rob Kovach on 9/26/2015, 10:35 pm

I'll let you know when mine comes in.
Come to think of it, my daughter's marksman card didn't come with any decals.

Hmmmm. One less promotional tool offered by the NRA. It’s so disappointing.
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Post by orpheoet on 9/26/2015, 10:58 pm

I've never gotten a decal for any classification
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