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Nelson and Hammer Spring

Post by Tim:H11 on Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:16 pm

the Nelson is advertised as a conversion for a factory 1911. Will it function with a 30# ILS hammer spring? I'm wondering if I can throw it on top of my wad gun frame. SA RO.

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Post by jglenn21 on Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:30 pm

I think most folks run it with a std 19lb spring

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Post by DavidR on Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:38 pm

dump that ils go back with normal m/s housing and a 19lb spring, everything will feel and work better.

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Post by Tim:H11 on Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:42 pm

DavidR wrote:dump that ils go back with normal m/s housing and a 19lb spring, everything will feel and work better.

The gun seems to group better with the heavy hammer spring actually. Slows the slide down or keeps it from opening completely up too fast. I do use a lighter recoil spring though. But I think from past conversations with Jon that he is right about the gun coming out of battery too quickly.


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Post by james r chapman on Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:48 pm

than I would say no, it won't cycle with a 30 pounder, but, that's just my humble opinion.

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Post by Christopher Miceli on Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:07 pm

I talked to Larry about this a year ago and a majority of his conversion won't run correctly with the RO springs, but some have. I'm sure if you had 8lb recoil spring and stand velocity you got a better chance


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Post by Tim:H11 on Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:45 pm

If I got one Id probably run a dedicated lower with correct springs for reliability and all but I was just curious is all. Thanks guys.

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Post by jmdavis on Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:21 pm

I get 3.25lbs with a converted RO, 21lb mainspring (hammer spring) and reduced sear spring. 

I don't know that you want the 19lb spring for the 45, but if it works that's fine. You can buy a kit with 19,20,21lb springs from Wolfe. 

To convert from ILS, you will need a mainspring housing, mainsprings, mainspring cap, pin and pin retainer. 

They will work with the stock RO springs. But it feels alot better to me when the ILS is removed.

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Post by james r chapman on Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:03 pm

You can get by fine with just the standard cap, spring, and pins. You can still use the ILS

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Post by Jon Eulette on Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:06 pm

I shot a Marvel on my 45 longslide for a couple years. I'd shoot .22 aggregate then switch uppers. No issues.
19# mainspring for both. 8# spring in longslide Marvel.
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Post by rreid on Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:02 pm

Thanks for posting that info, Jon. I tried a 17# mainspring with my Nelson, but I had a number of misfires the first time I shot it. I'll try a 19# and see how it works.

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Post by Jon Eulette on Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:22 pm

I use 19# for all my builds unless I absolutely need to sloww slide down a little on a 45. Then I go heavier.
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Post by Sc0 on Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:11 pm

With a 23lb mainspring in a Non-ILS housing, the only problem ammo that I have ran into is Federal HV Match 719.  The setup works fine with CCI Stdvel, Federal Automatch, and Eley Tenex.

Tried all kinds of recoil springs and different lubes, I see now that the cycling issues might have been related to the main spring being too heavy.

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Post by DavidR on Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:15 am

Tim:H11 wrote:
DavidR wrote:dump that ils go back with normal m/s housing and a 19lb spring, everything will feel and work better.

The gun seems to group better with the heavy hammer spring actually. Slows the slide down or keeps it from opening completely up too fast. I do use a lighter recoil spring though. But I think from past conversations with Jon that he is right about the gun coming out of battery too quickly.
the ils is not consistent, use a standard m/s and add a 23lb spring if you want the same resistance

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Post by Russ OR on Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:00 pm

Repeat info:   -- I kinda like the ILS housings. --- Wolff makes reduced power mainsprings for the ILS housings that work great. Several of us have installed the Wolff reduced power 24# mainsprings in our ROs with good results stock and with a conversion. For a few $s -what have you got to lose.  A touch of NecoMolyslide every couple hundred rounds helps as well.
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Post by Jon Eulette on Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:14 pm

When I referenced slowing a slide down it's in reference to 1911 .45 slide, not the conversion slide.
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Post by Jack H on Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:33 pm

I put a Nelson on a RO and only changed the spring and pins in the MSH to normal type.  Main spring is 18#.  Also put in a Colt 3 finger spring and a KC Ax hammer kit.  Works great.

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Post by jmdavis on Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:20 pm

The KC kit will come next I think. How long is the roll on yours Jack?

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Post by Jon Eulette on Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:32 pm

One thing I noticed about KC stuff is on 2# trigger roll feels shorter than a 3.5# trigger.
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Post by kc.crawford.7 on Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:26 pm

Generally the lighter the pull weight the shorter the roll feels because there is less felt resistance against the sear.  If you look at the actual movement it can be just as long.  But it feels shorter because the lighter pull weight physically gives less interaction between the sear and the hammer.

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Post by kjanracing on Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:35 pm

I have a Nelson on a stock RO. I works just fine with CCI SV. Doesn't work with Federal Target rounds, my 41 doesn't like that stuff either. 
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Post by jmdavis on Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:35 pm

I think that I am liking the 3.25 trigger more and more. I need to get the combo rail ordered for the Marvel and then start learning this gun as well as I have the Benelli and the Pardini.

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Post by spyer40 on Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:57 pm

I have a Nelson on a Springfield RO.  Had a trigger job done on the stock trigger but no spring changes.  Trigger still a little heavy but functions fine.

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Re: Nelson and Hammer Spring

Post by Sc0 on Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:31 pm

Changed out my main spring from a 23lb to a 19lb, still has issues cycling the Federal Match 719 ammo.  Solution is not to use that ammo with this pistol...

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Re: Nelson and Hammer Spring

Post by Jon Eulette on Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:43 pm

If you have a lot of that ammo I'd try cutting coils off 8# spring until it worked. Then use standard spring for other ammo. 
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