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Post by Wobbley on 8/18/2017, 9:35 am


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Post by jmdavis on 8/18/2017, 1:05 pm

AMU video and yes it is good. I may be able to find a better copy on Youtube.

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The youtube version isn't any better.
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Post by Jon Eulette on 8/19/2017, 10:02 pm

I was asked to comment on this video.
If you'll notice on first 5 shot string the shot broke at around 1 second. To do this effectively you are squeezing the trigger before the target turns and then continuing squeeze until shot breaks. Shots 2 & 3 were almost cadence fired. Then 4 & 5 broke almost immediately as sights were back in the target; you couldn't do that without squeezing before you were back in the black. 2nd 5 shot string was similar. Biggest difference was earlier lift and longer settle. Probably had 3# pulled before target turned then continual squeeze paid off with X. Shots 2 & 3 similar cadence then 4 & 5 were fast. Shooter knew he had to catch up. You catch up by squeezing early and immediately after recoil and continue squeezing as you recover back into the black. Sight alignment was always good and sight picture wasn't, but notice how good trigger control still made for all 10's & X's. Accept your hold and keep the trigger moving. Hope this helps. Didn't want to get to anal. I watched it on my phone so let me know if I missed something.
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Post by Wobbley on 8/19/2017, 10:07 pm

Didn't miss much.  Great analysis.

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Post by TomH_pa on 8/19/2017, 10:42 pm

Thanks Helps a lot

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Post by jglenn21 on 8/20/2017, 12:18 pm

at the start of the second string he came down to the right of the turned target.. Lifted up,  shifted,  and then came back down in alignment before the target turned...
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Post by ChipEck on 8/20/2017, 1:10 pm

So THAT is how to do it.  It motivates me to take my red dot off and go to irons.
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Post by Magload on 8/20/2017, 3:00 pm

Do any of you shoot with the gun canted to the left that much.  I try to stay dead level in fact the Matchdot II have levels mounted on the rear tubes.  Maybe with irons it doesn't make that much difference, or maybe i am just over thinking this like I do with everything.  I woul never shoot a scoped rifle with out a level.  Don
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Post by Wobbley on 8/20/2017, 8:21 pm

If your muscles as they relax have the gun at a cant, shoot with the cant.  More often your hold will deteriorate trying to fight it.

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Post by jwax on 8/26/2017, 10:10 am

I'd like more information on how that video was made!
How did the camera see exactly what the shooter was seeing?
Recording video like this could help many of us still learning/training how to shoot better.

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Post by NuJudge on 8/26/2017, 11:24 am

I've seen several videos like this, all from military marksmanship units.  IIRC, one is in the CMP's pistol marksmanship video.

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Post by Keithcrc on 9/20/2017, 1:41 pm

All well and good until the sights need to be adjusted. It ain't the same when the gun is canted. Just in case you are on the fence about that then why are there levels on long distance rifle sights or better target scopes. The same principles apply. They weren't lying though. The sights were aligned with each other just fine.
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Post by Jack H on 9/20/2017, 3:43 pm

Wobbley wrote:If your muscles as they relax have the gun at a cant, shoot with the cant.  More often your hold will deteriorate trying to fight it.

Exactly this^^^

I used to fight the sights in the 70s with my HS106.  Even today a 5 oclock cant with the 45 eases the sights square with my eye and my wrist stays natural.  I never noticed any major zero problem.
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Post by Keithcrc on 9/20/2017, 6:42 pm

If the gun is canted and the sights are square then your head is canted or you are leaning. If you could relax like that, that is great. However, the sights will be off in a windage adjustment if needed. It would raise your point of impact as you adjusted into the cant. In this case a right adjustment would raise the alignment.
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Post by Ed Hall on 9/20/2017, 11:01 pm

The cant isn't quite as bad as it appears in the video.  Look at the cant of the entire picture and you will see that the camera was tipped a bit to the right, which gave the image a left cant.  There is still some cant, but you have to compare it to the targets to get the true amount.  If anyone is interested, I have an article about cant here:

Pistol Shooting: The Art (Part 12)

The system that recorded the strings was known as a Firearms Training Video System (FTVS), which the USAMU used for a while to allow the coach and others to see what the shooter saw while firing and review it later for discussion.  It consisted of a headsup display visor with a camera mounted in front of the shooting eye that sent a signal to both the video screen in the visor and an external recorder with monitor.

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Post by Wobbley on 9/20/2017, 11:51 pm


I'm not saying it's ideal, but if your muscular structure is such that you get a cant in your hold, I'm saying your hold will deteriorate and that will eliminate your advantage in holding it perfectly upright.

When I shot highpower rifle, I shot with a left cant standing, and with a larger right cant when shooting sitting.  I adjusted my zeros for it.  And, for the record, I shot a 485 in 1984 at Perry in the Leg match earning a hard 10 point leg and in 1985 made the Presidents 100.  This is the gizmo I used.

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Post by jwax on 10/14/2017, 6:12 pm

Thank you Ed for explaining how that video was made!
Are those video systems commercially available? I saw a patent granted to Bristlecone Corporation, but did not see the system in the marketplace.
Thanks also for explaining cant! Now I know why my POI is left of where I setup the reddot from a benchrest!

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Post by Jack H on 10/14/2017, 6:48 pm

With my arm and wrist in a natural position, I cant left.  I even point left.  Rotating the grip to the right is not natural given the thickness of my hand at thumbs base.  A little more push forward on the backstrap helps some.  Standing taller and more head up, raises the arm and there is less cant.  But as time goes by I notice the cant comes back as I tire and settle back into comfort.  So I say if you can't not cant, then cant.  Forcing the cant out is counter productive.

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Post by Ed Hall on 10/15/2017, 10:03 am

jwax wrote:Are those video systems commercially available?
It seemed to be commercially made, but I've never been able to find it on the market.  I guess it was short lived, if it was.  It might have been custom made for the USAMU.  The concept is basic and could probably be put together easily with an HUD and web cam.

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