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Post by zanemoseley 7/6/2019, 7:16 pm

I started with just letting my head sit free but have noticed a lot of the military shooters anchoring their chins on their shoulder to a varying degree. I've been experimenting with it while I practice 50 yard slow fire. I could see it tightening everything up but could also see it adding tension in your neck that may not be comfortable for a whole match.

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Post by chopper 7/6/2019, 9:01 pm

I've heard they do that when shooting service pistol. I can see how it would seem to steady the sights. It'd take me a while to learn that stance and position.
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Post by BE Mike 7/7/2019, 7:35 am

I get a crick in my neck just thinking about it.No
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Post by chopper 7/7/2019, 10:06 pm

I tried it when I was dry firing this evening, it didn't feel comfortable, might be too late for me to change. I did notice at my last Regional match, I watch an Army shooter use it, he was also leaning back at the waist very substantially.
 I'd like to hear a shooter from the AMU or Marines chime in on this subject.
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Post by BE Mike 7/8/2019, 7:26 am

chopper wrote:I tried it when I was dry firing this evening, it didn't feel comfortable, might be too late for me to change. I did notice at my last Regional match, I watch an Army shooter use it, he was also leaning back at the waist very substantially.
 I'd like to hear a shooter from the AMU or Marines chime in on this subject.
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I doubt that the AMU manual suggests such a position, nor the USMC one. I could be wrong, though. That being said, "the school solution" isn't for everyone.
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Post by adminbot1911 7/8/2019, 8:17 am

You're right, the USMC doesn't dictate whether their competitors shoulder the pistol or not.  But most of the ones shooting M and HM do.
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Post by Jack H 7/8/2019, 1:46 pm

Raising the shoulder to chin is adding reinforcement to the hinge of the shoulder.  Try a 5# weight lift and hold with the shoulder just as a hinge.  Then lift with the whole arm and shoulder.  (Care for the elbow)
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Post by BE Mike 7/9/2019, 6:22 am

Jack H wrote:Raising the shoulder to chin is adding reinforcement to the hinge of the shoulder.  Try a 5# weight lift and hold with the shoulder just as a hinge.  Then lift with the whole arm and shoulder.  (Care for the elbow)
I guess I've been away from the sport for too long. Looks like my advice is really dated. That being said, I always followed the advice of those before me who advised that the body should be relaxed except for the hand, arm and shoulder. It got me to NRA Outdoor Master and Distinguished with a 1911 and factory hardball ammo. A one day 2700 is a marathon.
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Post by Outthere 7/10/2019, 6:05 am

BE Mike wrote:
chopper wrote:I tried it when I was dry firing this evening, it didn't feel comfortable, might be too late for me to change. I did notice at my last Regional match, I watch an Army shooter use it, he was also leaning back at the waist very substantially.
 I'd like to hear a shooter from the AMU or Marines chime in on this subject.
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I doubt that the AMU manual suggests such a position, nor the USMC one. I could be wrong, though. That being said, "the school solution" isn't for everyone.
I've never seen that in any manual.

Anyone here remember during one of the "windy" years that a bunch of service shooters built up their gun boxes to hide behind? 

They also had their legs spread as far as possible to lower them out of the wind, making them look like yoga instructors.  Smile
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Post by Arthur 7/24/2019, 8:11 pm

At the Small Arms Firing school I asked a coach specifically about this. He said the intent was to provide consistent alignment of the eye to the sights. I questioned the comfort also, and he responded with "We are machines." 
Nice guys teaching and coaching. Wish I could get more time with them, would not hurt a thing.

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Post by Sa-tevp 7/24/2019, 9:10 pm

Check out the third page in the article below. Alton Dinan Jr tucked in tight.

Outdoor Pistol Shooting

https://www.wwmcmillan.info/media_AmericanRifleman_1964-04.html
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Post by mikemyers 7/24/2019, 10:21 pm

Very good reading - thanks for the link.  
April 1964....    wow. 
I think everything I read is as true today as back then, except they didn't have optics in the 60's.
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