Cabot 1911

With out adding things someone heard some one else say. Why not buy a Cabot 1911? They have a few models under 4k. A full custom build by any of the respected  smiths on this forum will cost the same or more.  They offer accuracy promises and custom ordering. Not looking for Chevy vs Ford argument. I think it is really cool that they make there parts in house.

Good luck getting it to run without a gunsmith
Jon

Little follow up please.

I think they come with a life time guarantee?

Just a quick glance at their website. None of their models come with adjustable rear sights or a rail to mount an optic. I would call that a clue. If I’m going to spend that much money on a quality gun for bullseye, I’d want it to be specifically made for bullseye. 

But if you want to have it as a fancy carry gun then seems like this is where you spend lots of money for that.

Jon Eulette wrote:Good luck getting it to run without a gunsmith
Jon

But their site says "better than custom 1911 pistols" lol. Did I mention I despise the triggers with star cuts.

I sense some sarcasm. Is there something about there reputation I'm unaware of?

Well they sponsored/paid Zins to use one for a while and heard rumors they had to rebarrel it several times before it shot to his satisfaction. They're pretty guns but as mentioned above they cater to rich guys wanting fancy toys not competition shooters. Jon above built my wadcutter and don't think you'll find a pistol from any company any better at any cost. If you need to buy from a company I would probably go with RRA. Otherwise have Jon, KC or David Sam's build you a true competition pistol.

While I personally am waiting on a wadgun from Jon, I also regularly hear good things about Accuracy X, if you want a "factory" gun. 

Dave

Many options from RRA and AXI for well under 4K

If money is no object:
Bunker Arms

I have no clue if these are any good, but one could walk around with shades on and shirt collar up!

While he's not a "bullseye" gunsmith, Tim Davis at RTD Precision in Fayetteville, NC builds some very accurate 1911s.  He learned from Bob Marvel.  I know Tim has a few Cabots on his bench for repair.  I think Cabot prided themselves at one point on being master machinists, and not gunsmiths.  They build very tight tolerances into all of their guns but, as you know, it takes more than precise machining to make a good 1911.

Cabot, Wilson and such are nice pistols, beautifully finished and the Wilsons that I have shot are accurate and have decent triggers but they are not set up for bulleye shooting unless you get one with adjustable sights.  Most are not set up for rails so a dot sight is not in the cards unless you knock the rear sight out and put in a reflex sight or a dovetail mount adaptor.  A friend of mine has two Wilsons and in one he has a less strong recoil spring and it shoots 185 grain lead swc with 3.7 grains of bulleye just fine but my SA Milspec 1911 that has been rebarreled and tune by a bulleye smith is a better gun for bulleye shooting just not a pretty.

Some good feed back. I personally don't feel the need to buy a factory gun. I was just curious if Cabot builds a good gun. Lots of people can build a accurate 1911 with very nice triggers, but what else makes it a bullseye gun? I would expect a 4k + gun to come ready for my choice of sights/optics. But we have been modifying 1911s since the first red dot was added to a iron sight gun.

I think others like Jon would know more about this but I think a well tuned bulleye 1911 will shoot lower powered loads more easily and more reliably than some of the factory guns, a friend of mine shoots loads in his built for bulleye 1911 with loads so low powered the brass just drops in a pile on the bench.  I would like to shoot a Cabot 1911, if they are as nice or nicer than a Wilson then they must be really nice pistols.

Ask Jon Shue what he thinks about Cabot! Anyone heard of him?

Does Shue visit the bullseye forum?

James Hensler wrote:Ask Jon Shue what he thinks about Cabot! Anyone heard of him?

Now that you say that I can't remember if it was Shue or Zins that was sponsored by Cabot, or maybe both.

Zins and Shue both sponsored by Cabot. KC would work over Zins gun. Shue probably did it himself. Zins last year shooting he used a Cabot that approximately 10 barrels were tested before it was considered BE worthy.
Its a throw together gun with good tolerances. They are known to be unreliable.
Maybe KC will comment at some point. He would know better than anyone.
I personally no matter how much money I had to spend would buy either a Cabot or Wilson pistol. Looks ain't everything.
Jon

What's funny I think is that Cabot has sponsored 2 bullseye shooters yet they don't have a wadcutter or service pistol for sale. So not exactly sure what they were trying to accomplish by spending that money.

Let's just say my association with Cabot started out nicely and ended badly.  As an old car saying goes, chrome won't get ya home.  I'll leave it at that.

zanemoseley wrote:What funny I think is that Cabot has sponsored 2 bullseye shooters yet they don't have a wadcutter or service pistol for sale. So not exactly sure what they were trying to accomplish by spending that money.

They did make a BE model with KC sight cut on the slide for a short while.
Jon

Hello,

I have an acquaintance that has a Cabot.  With light loads, it is one of the hardest recoiling pistols I have ever shot.  It drops out of battery almost immediately.  The barrel's lower lug geometry reminds me of what lots of pistol smiths from the seventies or eighties turned out.

I wasn't impressed.

Jim

ASchlem wrote:Does Shue visit the bullseye forum?

I can’t speak for him but I would bet he is too busy practicing and doing the shit it takes to beat all of our asses year after year! Lol

In a moment of weakness, I bought a Cabot S100 (their "entry level" 1911) second hand for significantly less than the retail price several years ago. I did not buy it as a potential bullseye gun.  Since I had some questions about it, Rob Schauland offered to go over the pistol to check it out thoroughly when it was enroute to me.  Rob is the pistol smith that started Alchemy Custom Weapons (ACW) and is one hell of a good guy.  He also handles warranty work for Cabot Guns and can do just about anything you'd like done to one.  At any rate, Rob put the S100 through some vigorous testing to make sure it functioned reliably with several brands/types of .45 ACP ammo.  I later sent it back to him to change the front and rear sights - most smiths cannot or will not replace the front sight on a Cabot gun.  Long story shortened, the Cabot runs without a hiccup with everything I put through it including SWC loads.  It's never been fired using a Ransom rest so I don't know how it performs at 25 and 50 yards but that's not what I bought it for.  Personally, I think that Cabot has gone way overboard on creating expensive, fancy guns for folks who have more money than they  know what to do with.  Most will never be shot much if ever.  Yeah, I don't care much for the 3-star trigger either, but it works very well.