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Post by mikemargolis 11/27/2020, 5:10 pm

http://www.mikemargolis.com/Targets112720.pdf

This was two 300's at 50 feet this morning.

I feel like I am generally a bit low and to the right. (Pardini SP and Matchdot Ultradot II)

But is it enough to move one click up and one click left?

(I know, I could try it, but I don't like messing with stuff that isn't really broken)

Anyway, if this were your gun and targets, would you move it or leave it alone?

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Post by James Hensler 11/27/2020, 5:25 pm

Before you make a change double and triple check your body alignment.
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Post by john bickar 11/27/2020, 5:26 pm

With all due respect, you spent more time and effort posting the photos and the question than it would have taken just to make the sight adjustment and find out.

Fear not the screwdriver.
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Post by chiz1180 11/27/2020, 5:29 pm

john bickar wrote:Fear not the screwdriver.
+1 

If you are hesitant, make the adjustment, make note of how much you adjusted. If the result is not what you want you can always move it back.

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Post by mspingeld 11/27/2020, 5:32 pm

If I bench rest the gun, and the group is centered, that would tell me that I'm doing something to move the group.

When training I would work to determine what that is and learn to correct it. In a match for score I'd grab the screwdriver.

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Post by james r chapman 11/27/2020, 5:42 pm

One click at 50’ is only a feel good.
Be aggressive.

3 clicks about 1/2
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Post by sharkdoctor 11/27/2020, 6:05 pm

The pdf at the Ultradot website notes that "one click changes Point of impact 1/2 MOA at 100 yds and 1/4 MOA at 50 yds".  I will leave it to others to consider the trigonometry of that statement Laughing , but let's say 1 click at 50' does nearly nothing.  Are you left-handed?  Anticipation can account for low right shots.

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Post by Jon Eulette 11/27/2020, 6:14 pm

A master level shooter will make a sight adjustment, foot adjustment, trigger finger or grip adjustment immediately! Got to stay in the 10 to shoot a 10. The screwdriver is your friend....one click is better than no click. Think of it in terms of left 10 or right 10, or high 10 or low 10 because of worst case you moved out of the X a click. I've had failure to make simple sight change cost me 890's for one 5 shot string being shifted without fast correction. So make the change.
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Post by Wobbley 11/27/2020, 6:30 pm

On the first target and disregarding the two 7s, your groups ar3 low and to the right.   You have more targets low and right than centered and none high left.  Move the sights, 3 up and 3 right!  An 8 high left is worth exactly the same as an eight low right.
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Post by Steve B 11/27/2020, 7:21 pm

Are the shots on call?  If they are then it's a technique issue, if not then adjust that dot.

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Post by Ed Hall 11/28/2020, 7:50 am

Don't be afraid of the adjustments unless they are defective.  (And, then consider getting them fixed.)  I've even adjusted my sight to move groups around in the X.  But, it really depends on your goal and setting.  In a match, never try fixing your process, unless you know exactly what to do.  Instead, adjust your sight.  In training, you might make process adjustments.

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Post by CR10X 11/28/2020, 8:05 am

If it's an average group for the shooter; then adjust the sights to move the group.

If it's more of a shot pattern; then adjust the shooter to get a group.

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Post by REConley 11/28/2020, 8:23 am

Wobbley wrote:On the first target and disregarding the two 7s, your groups ar3 low and to the right.   You have more targets low and right than centered and none high left.  Move the sights, 3 up and 3 right!  An 8 high left is worth exactly the same as an eight low right.

I agree about making an adjustment, but on my two Match Dots one up and one left is all that would be needed.

I know about want the manual says as to amount of change, but what I get is different.
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Post by TomH_pa 11/28/2020, 8:57 am

A wise man once told me " A nine on the left is worth the same as a 9 on the right....turn the knobs!"

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Post by 285wannab 11/28/2020, 12:03 pm

Something I do is to put a slow fire target in back of a slow fire target , then in back of the timed target and same for the rapid target.  Then adjust group.

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Post by mikemargolis 11/28/2020, 9:27 pm

Thanks for the advice everybody. I did adjust the dot this morning, and shot a good practice session.

Will shoot again Monday, and then have a 300 match on Wednesday. I am quite happy with where it is now (one click left and two clicks up)

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Post by john bickar 11/30/2020, 12:11 am

TomH_pa wrote:A wise man once told me " A nine on the left is worth the same as a 9 on the right....turn the knobs!"

Another bit of sage advice that I often received was "one click on the gun, two in the head".

Quite often, one target later, I'd get the advice: "Nice target, kid. Get yer X-count up."
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Post by Jack H 11/30/2020, 1:20 am

14 clicks ought to do it....
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Post by mikemargolis 11/30/2020, 11:56 am

Thanks for all the advice, guys.

After adjusting the scope, I shot two 300's in practice this morning.

@285wannab I LOVED your idea, and put a B-3 target behind all six targets, and came up with this:

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I have one more practice session on Wednesday morning before Wednesday evening's match. According to TargetScan, I will make one click to the right and do this again on Wednesday morning, and then see how it looks before the match.

Again, thanks everybody!

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Post by chiz1180 11/30/2020, 1:18 pm

Mike,

Question for you, Do you scope your slowfire shots?

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Post by mikemargolis 11/30/2020, 6:56 pm

chiz1180 wrote:Mike,

Question for you, Do you scope your slowfire shots?
I do, and I can generally call them before I look.

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Post by chiz1180 11/30/2020, 7:08 pm

mikemargolis wrote:
chiz1180 wrote:Mike,

Question for you, Do you scope your slowfire shots?
I do, and I can generally call them before I look.
I personally have found that scoping shots without willing to make an adjustment (sight, grip, stance) is a waste of time. If I call the shot and it is not on call, I revaluate my grip, stance, ect. if that is all good, the screws on the sights get turned as necessary. Typically this helps me find out if I forgot to set my 50yrd elevation with my 45.

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