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Post by desben Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:09 am

A couple of weeks ago, Springfield Armory launched a new line of 1911 called the "Garrison". Beavertail, blued finish, novak sights, for an MSRP of $800. In many ways similar to what the Range Officer was. Now, if only they would release a Garrison Target with Bo-Mar sights, we'd have a new winner to recommend to those wanting to get into bullseye.

https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-garrison-handguns/

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Post by BE Mike Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:56 am

With the SA Loaded Target you get a "match grade barrel" and adjustable sights for MSRP of $1,065.
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Post by desben Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:33 am

The Garrison also has a "match grade" barrel, but the wrong sights. The Loaded has Bo-Mar sights, but only in stainless; no target version in carbon steel.
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Post by javaduke Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:23 pm

One option might be to use the "Nomar" base: https://www.bunkerarms.com/product-page/nomar-conversion-base
But I really don't get it why most manufacturers these days use the Novak fixed sights. I guess they are cheaper to manufacture?

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Post by Skid Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:47 pm

I had about the same idea, why not find out what rear sight cut Springfield used and use a sight pusher and remove the Novak sight and replace it with a adjustable rear that fits.

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Post by Merick Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:13 pm

If it makes you feel any better, springfield uses their own crazy dimensions and not novak's. Or maybe novak rear and Dan Wesson front? I don't remember the details, but they made it harder than it had to be for no reason.

Also I wonder if the slim grips have the slim grip bushings instead of the standard ones?

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Post by kc.crawford.7 Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:37 am

Merick wrote:If it makes you feel any better, springfield uses their own crazy dimensions and not novak's. Or maybe novak rear and Dan Wesson front? I don't remember the details, but they made it harder than it had to be for no reason.

Also I wonder if the slim grips have the slim grip bushings instead of the standard ones?
The reason they have to do that is they didn't want to pay royalties to Novak for the use of his sight cut.  Or so that is my understanding.
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Post by knightimac Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:50 am

I'm thankful to have found a new Range Officer 45 at a local gun store a few weeks ago for $850.  It only took 15 phone calls within a 50 mile radius to locate a one.  Now I plan on shooting it alot rather than chasing more expensive or used equipment.

The Garrison seems like a good choice for a slide rail and dot.  The Ronin may be Ok too for build.

One thing I love about the few Springfields that I've owned they just seem to run and shoot well out of the box.
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Post by Lightfoot Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:17 pm

javaduke wrote:One option might be to use the "Nomar" base: https://www.bunkerarms.com/product-page/nomar-conversion-base
But I really don't get it why most manufacturers these days use the Novak fixed sights. I guess they are cheaper to manufacture?
This is a possible option, but in my opinion the NOMAR is pretty expensive as a plan A.  In a perfect world buy a gun with the right cut from the factory.  With milling, the NOMAR will cost over $250.  I started a build with a Novak cut then changed my mind mid stream to make it a ball gun.  The NOMAR is the perfect "plan b" for something like this.  Had I not already fit the slide and barrel, It would have been way cheaper to start with the right slide.
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Post by javaduke Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:22 pm

Hmm, I' wondering if it's possible to machine a custom base which accepts the Bomar blade and fits in the existing slide cut. The only downside seems to be that it will sit a bit higher which will require a taller front sight.
I've never tried it before, so I don't know if there are any technical limitations.

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Post by zanemoseley Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:40 pm

This crap is one of the reasons I just have Jon build me custom guns now, especially if you're adding a rail so you you don't see old sight cuts. If you want a good gun you're usually going to trash the stock ignition parts, barrel, bushing and slide stop. Then you get to deal with the factory slide to frame fit. At least the new SA models are blued instead of parked, wasn't a fan of the RO finish. The RO Elite had the nicer ceramic coating but think its gone now too.

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Post by James Hensler Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:33 pm

Option one 
Call Springfield order the Garrison and add the Bo-mar rear.
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Post by Grouse Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:01 am

Newbie here. For curiosity sake....what would it take  to make the Garrison a decent Bullseye gun? With or without a red dot.  Who would you send it to?

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Post by popchevy Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:20 am

I started with a new RO , put a dot on it and adjusted the trigger. It shoots pretty good as is. My advice is to do the same ,get good with it THEN soup it up. Thats how I am approaching this game. I am fairly new at this also, I just started last summer and am having a ball !

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Post by Tangeant Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:49 pm

The two garrisons I looked at were pretty tight frame /slide fit. Triggers weren't so great. You can put a LPA adj rear sight in the Novak cut.

Loaded is better bang for buck, have one with lpa adj rear added. The two Garrisons were 739 next shelf down was a like new SA loaded for 729 I have another loaded now , wanted a Novak sight one.

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Post by troystaten Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:12 am

If you are going with a dot sight just get a SA milspec, it has a carbon steel frame and slide.  You can upgrade the barrel and bushing. I have one that was done by Dave Salyer then re-done with some additional changes by a smith I know and it is a really nice shooting pistol.

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Post by inthebeech Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:27 am

[quote="troystaten"]If you are going with a dot sight just get a SA milspec, it has a carbon steel frame and slide.  You can upgrade the barrel and bushing. I have one that was done by Dave Salyer then re-done with some additional changes by a smith I know and it is a really nice shooting pistol.[/quote]

I only have one of each, a RO and a MilSpec, as a basis for my opinion.  But the MilSpec has a tighter frame-slide fit (.002-.003 vert and horiz at both front and rear) than the RO.  And a rail will completely cover the small rear dovetail of the MilSpec.  If you shoot irons, you get an extra bit of sight radius when you set up the slide with an old-school high mount Kensight (BoMar copy) rear or heave rib  Even better.
If all MilSpec guns now are as well fit off the shelf, as the RO ever was, we are no worse off than before the RO was discontinued.  You just have to drop your MilSpec in the stones a few times to distract you from the ugly, factory finish.  It feels like six-hundred grit sandpaper.  I can use the side of the slide as a sharpening stone.   :lol:
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