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Good 9mm ammo for "bullseye" shooting (not competition)

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Post by mikemyers 1/17/2023, 8:12 am

A year ago a fellow at my range offered me a case of Magtech ammo:
9mm Luger 7,45g (115 gr) FMJ (9A) BT1019 L - 1647
(I read that as 9mm 115 gr FMJ ....   not sure what the rest of information means...)

It was supposed to be so I could enjoy shooting my Taurus PT92-AFS, which changed to my Springfield SA-35, and now will be used in my new to me Springfield Range Officer 9mm Target.  

I like 9mm because it is inexpensive, feels like it has lower recoil, and the Magtech is supposed to be good for general shooting.

The reality of course is that it will only be used (by me) for punching holes in paper targets.

Yesterday I was offered 1000 rounds for three hundred something dollars by a gun shop.  Having most of a case at home, and not expecting to shoot THAT much, I passed, but I'm tempted to get them anyway for the future.

A friend of mine suggested that 147 grain ammo is "easier to shoot well".  To be honest, maybe I'm not good enough to recognize the difference, but my impression was that both the 147 and the 115 were similar, but the 115 "felt" stronger.

So, my question here is what is the best 9mm ready made ammo for "bullseye" shooting.  Better accuracy would be good, more power would not be good, less felt recoil would be good, and I guess it will need to be FMJ unless someone sells lead rounds that are better for bullseye.  Cost counts too.  Availability would be important.  I now have the gear to load my own, thanks to one of our members, but I'm not ready to do that yet.

Any suggestions?
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Post by Orion 1/17/2023, 8:31 am

I started reloading 9mm/45 last winter and I don’t regret it. For competition and training I used any 9mm available for the short line and Atlanta Arms 115 on the long line. I suggest you use 115/127 for 1:32 twist barrels and 147 for 1:16 twist. If you cannot recognize the difference between 115 and 147 you should be focusing on the fundamentals / dry firing more.
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Post by shanneba 1/17/2023, 8:48 am

American Elite Armory in Greenwood Indiana has the Norma 115 gr FMJ for $14.85 /50 $297 /1000

My daughter shot that ammo very well in a Sig P320.

Norma Range & Training 9mm Luger 115gr FMJ 1180 FPS 50/box (aeammo.com)

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Post by mikemyers 1/17/2023, 3:21 pm

Orion wrote:......If you cannot recognize the difference between 115 and 147 you should be focusing on the fundamentals / dry firing more.
Already doing both of your suggestions, but according to one of the articles I read, both common loads of 115 and 147 have the same recoil - but the 147 feels softer because it stretches out the recoil over a longer time.  The 115 gives a sharper "whack", but the power of both the loads the fellow tested was the same.  The 115 of course causes higher velocity of the round.

One thing for sure, the 115 in a full size 1911 is much less than it was with either of my previous (lighter) guns.  In the 1911 there was much less "felt recoil".  I didn't get to try the 147 yet.
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Post by Texasref 1/18/2023, 6:52 am

Here is what I use in all of my 9mm pistols.
147gn flat point bullet, over 3.2gn of Alliant Sport pistol.
OAL is 1.131.

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Post by mustachio Yesterday at 11:31 am

Mike, I still stand by the Freedom munitions 135 and 147 gr. Both have less recoil and are more accurate than I can shoot them.
I can easily tell the difference between 115 and 147.
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Post by mikemyers Yesterday at 12:15 pm

Hi, and good to see you again!!!!!!

I remember our discussions, and still have most of one box of the 147 grain Freedom Arms left that I bought at your suggestion.

I sold my Taurus, have been trying to buy a Springfield SA-35 for half a year now (but it keeps going back to the factory as they can't make one properly), and finally bought a like-new Springfield 9mm Range Officer target Stainless. I think I asked you about buying a gun you had like that, but if I remember correctly, you had sold it.

If I had your ability, I think I would recognize the difference between 115 and 147 grain ammo.  For me, it's hard to tell.  I bought a case of 115 grain 9mm ammo, and found I can buy another case, on sale, from Johnson Firearms for $330.  I didn't buy it (yet) as I was hoping I could buy target ammo for the same price or better.

>>>>>Orion.........If you cannot recognize the difference between 115 and 147 you should be focusing on the fundamentals / dry firing more. <<<<<<

I guess I'm not very good at this.  I dry-fire almost every day, and have gotten to where the gun stays put when I fire, and my groups have gotten better than ever before, for me, with 9mm.  The target below is two-handed, and between 15 and 18 yards - not sure, it was an indoor range, and the target stopped in different places each time.  Compared to the better guys here, I suck.  The gun has a 6 pound trigger pull, but it is now on its way to Dave Salyer, who will make it 3#, fix some other things, and mount my 1" Ultradot.  My two biggest weak-points are my eyes (I can't shoot open sight as well as with a dot) and my body (holding the gun up one handed leaves me hurting from the effort - been trying for years).

Back to ammo - is this what you recommend?
https://www.freedommunitions.com/9mm-luger-147-gr-rn-new.html

All choices:
https://www.freedommunitions.com/ammunition/pistol/9mm.html 




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Post by mustachio Yesterday at 2:12 pm

that is good shooting...I prefer open sight to red dot...after having my new lenses put in, I have 17 year old eyes. My Beretta loves the 135 and 147 gr. I got my trigger down to 3# so it helps with accuracy.
I am having shoulder replacement in May on my left shoulder so I will be down for 3 months. During that time I will shoot one handed exclusively.
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Post by mikemyers Yesterday at 2:35 pm

Texasref wrote:Here is what I use in all of my 9mm pistols.
147gn flat point bullet, over 3.2gn of Alliant Sport pistol.
OAL is 1.131.
I'm not ready to start reloading 9mm, but I have what I need to do so now, thanks to "Jim".

In the links I just posted, I found "round nose" and "flat point".
Is there a specific reason why you use flat point?  

It seems to me that 115 grain 9mm give a very "sharp" recoil, but the 147 grain   stretches it out over a longer time (slower) so it feels lower - or maybe that's just my imagionation, to use my favorite term.

Based on what Mustachio said, and that I enjoyed the 147 Freedom Arms ammo I bought a few years ago, I guess that would be a better choice for me.


I need to ask another question sometime soon.
Bullseye = 45, and Center Fire, and 22.  
Most people use 45 for both the first two classes (or is the Model 52 still a popular choice?).  
What classes does 9mm fit into for bullseye competition?

Just curious - my range just has "Bullseye" - you can use any gun you wish to, any caliber, auto or pistol, etc.
Because so many people did not want to shoot real bullseye, the club now uses 15 and 25 yards, and use however many hands you want.

There is also a small group that shoots off to the side at 25 and 50 yards, and all other bullseye rules.  I used to join that group most of the time.

My next match will likely be February 26.  Will decide when I get there which class to compete in, and which caliber to use.
If I am going to use the 147 grain ammo, I'd like to order it this coming Monday.
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Post by SingleActionAndrew Yesterday at 2:47 pm

9mm similar to the 38spl you mention in the 52 counts as Centerfire but not 22 or 45. The 9mm may also be used under current rules (in compliant guns) for CMP Excellence In Competition Service Pistol matches.
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Post by mikemyers Yesterday at 3:00 pm

SingleActionAndrew wrote:9mm similar to the 38spl you mention in the 52 counts as Centerfire but not 22 or 45. .......
Thanks - I guess my plan right now is to buy the ammo Monday, the gun should be back to me in around two weeks, and then decide whether to take the 9mm, the Nelson, or my Model 41.
I'm sure I'll enjoy myself whichever gun I take.

Thanks to all of you for help with my ammo question.  I'll call Freedom Munitions on Monday morning, and place an order - maybe for just a few hundred rounds, before I buy a full case.
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