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Post by CR10X 8/13/2016, 4:23 am

Just a reminder of how important dryfiring is, even if you have little choice.

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Post by joy2shoot 8/13/2016, 5:59 am

Thanks Cecil.  Very humbling.  I also like to view photos of top shooters so I can examine stance, grip, trigger finger placement, etc.  As best as I can tell, Hoang uses all his fingers and thumb in his grip, like what was discussed in a previous thread.

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Post by john bickar 8/13/2016, 8:55 am

A glimpse into the future of sport shooting in California.
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Post by Jon Eulette 8/13/2016, 9:00 am

Ouch ;(
Sad truth the way things are going here in Kaliforniastan.
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Post by Toz35m 8/13/2016, 9:10 am

We can have a dry fire match.  I should win a lot because I always shoot 10.9's when I dry fire.
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Post by joy2shoot 8/13/2016, 9:14 am

Maybe Californians can shoot under the Olympic banner as refugees

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Post by BE Mike 8/13/2016, 10:31 am

Kudos on the shooter getting a gold medal, but I can't get all choked up about a communist country experiencing shortages.
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Post by r_zerr 8/13/2016, 5:51 pm

I call b. s. on that article, and also cannot get choked up over the article itself.

the guy won in Air pistol. No bullets at all there.
Dry fire training is good training.....add an electronic system like a SCATT, and what isn't to like about dry fire with overt feedback?
A colonel in the army and he cannot get ammo?  Ha, ha. Jokes on them.
They train in substandard conditions with paper targets!  Lets not even go there :-)

All that aside, good on him for his dedication, his training, his skill, and the win.

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Post by weber1b 8/13/2016, 6:17 pm

r_zerr wrote:I call b. s. on that article, and also cannot get choked up over the article itself.
Another article on shooting written by someone who does not understand shooting and guns.

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Post by DeweyHales 8/13/2016, 7:30 pm

I think Cecil's point was to reiterate the importance of dry fire. 

Duly noted, Cecil.
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Post by dronning 8/13/2016, 7:48 pm

DeweyHales wrote:I think Cecil's point was to reiterate the importance of dry fire. 

Duly noted, Cecil.
Agreed, In his book "With Winning In Mind", Larry Bassham talks about when he was assigned to a non shooting position at Ft Sam Houston from 1976 to 1978. In those 2 years he was only able to shoot on a range 6 days total (during qualification matches). He did a lot of dry fire in his spare bedroom. In 1978 he made the US International Team and won the World Championship in Seoul.

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Post by CR10X 8/14/2016, 6:07 am

Tatsuya Sakai is a Japanese sport shooter who won the 2004 Steel Challenge World Championship in Piru, California. Since firearms cannot be legally obtained in Japan, he trained at home using an airsoft pistol. A month before the championship he went to California to train with a real gun, and placed first .59 seconds before KC Eusebio.


What do Hoang Xuan and Tatsuya Sakai have in common concerning how they approached training? (hint: dryfiring is only one aspect)

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Post by Jack H 8/14/2016, 11:16 am

Keeping head at the gun.  No concern for score or even zero.  Both of which are results, not performance.  Also regular practice to be in condition.

Been there, done that just a couple targets worth in 40 some years.
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Post by Toz35m 8/14/2016, 5:13 pm

This is a great example showing you do not need to train with match like equipment to prepare for a match.
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Post by togfish 8/20/2016, 3:25 am

BE Mike wrote:Kudos on the shooter getting a gold medal, but I can't get all choked up about a communist country experiencing shortages.
Agreed!!
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Post by CR10X 8/20/2016, 5:57 am

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On the one hand, (Deleted)

On the other hand, when you start looking for excuses, you're probably lost sight of what you were trying to to.

On the third hand (Deleted) 

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Post by Fire Escape 8/20/2016, 6:20 am

Or you could look at an article like this as perfect 'ammunition' for our own media and politicos to use as 'proof' when saying that WE don't have any need of real ammunition until we are actually at a range in competition, and therefore it should not be allowed in private hands. That's not where I want to be but .......

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Post by joy2shoot 8/20/2016, 9:03 am

Trying to get back on topic and in trying to answer the question about what Hoang and Tatsuya have in common in approaching training, I read the article on Hoang and this is what I could glean from the article.

  • dry firing with a gun
  • dry firing without a gun to hone stance/position/posture, breathing, etc
  • not letting limitations (on gun, ammo, equipment, facilities, yourself, etc) stand in your way
  • they have coaches

I am sure there are other commonalities between the two shooters, but I could not discern them from the article.

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Post by CR10X 8/20/2016, 9:53 am

Thank you and my apology for the previous response.

My take away was, as I mentioned, they quit looking for excuses not to train and compete. When the conditions were not perfect, they found solutions to achieve their goals.

In other words and more simply - Improvise, Adapt and Overcome. A trait shared by many that seek to win.

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Post by 285wannab 8/21/2016, 1:44 pm

This has nothing to do with the post but CR10x reason for editing is priceless.

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Post by Froneck 8/25/2016, 8:53 am

I don't want to go into the details but I suspect these stories from shooters that are in countries that limit the access to shooting hard to believe. I as others do not want to diminish their accomplishments. Too often there is more to the story than is provided.
 I do not want to put down Dry Firing as it is a great way to learn shooting skills. I have posted this link before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyNkZHjkkB8 of my son Adam learning to shoot left handed. He dry fired quite a bit though guns and unlimited amounts of ammo were available and he is at the range everyday. He used dry fire as a way to become a 2650 shooter left handed! The one advantage Dry Fire has is that there is no recoil to disturb the results and with a Red Dot scope the result to pulling the trigger and hammer dropping is easily seen. Thought not as easily seen iron sights too indicate what took place.

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