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Practice with turning target versus bullseye timer app?

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Post by zanemoseley 6/2/2017, 12:09 pm

I'm still debating on whether or not I want to drop cash on a turning target system. Coach Dave's system is a bit over $500 and seems to work as intended, perhaps not the best looking alternative but 1/3 the cost of the really nice ones. Of those of you that have practiced with both a turning target and the bullseye timer app do you feel its worth the cost and hassle of the turning target? I will have to haul the target to my local range for each use where the app is easy (just take headphones and my phone).

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Post by Chris Miceli 6/2/2017, 12:32 pm

You must learn to shoot the turn

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Post by Jon Eulette 6/2/2017, 2:42 pm

I broke 2650 never training on turning targets. I broke 2650 never/rarely practicing 50 yds. Learn to pull the trigger! No gimmicks to shooting well. I think the mind is the most powerful training aid. Turning targets or laser training systems (whatever) are over rated. It has to happen in the mind before it can happen on the target. Everything a BE shooter needs can be found in dry firing and reinforcing it in live fire. So I don't think you need the turning target system.
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Post by Chris Miceli 6/2/2017, 2:51 pm

Jon Eulette wrote:I broke 2650 never training on turning targets. I broke 2650 never/rarely practicing 50 yds. Learn to pull the trigger! No gimmicks to shooting well. I think the mind is the most powerful training aid. Turning targets or laser training systems (whatever) are over rated. It has to happen in the mind before it can happen on the target. Everything a BE shooter needs can be found in dry firing and reinforcing it in live fire. So I don't think you need the turning target system.
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Post by zanemoseley 6/2/2017, 3:31 pm

Dang Jon, 2650 with no turning target. Geez

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Post by sixftunda 6/2/2017, 3:41 pm

I have a turning target.  I needed it to break 2600.  At the time I was not competing every weekend.  Right now I am shooting at least one match per weekend, sometimes two.  The only thing I do during the week is blank wall dry fire.  If I couldn't shoot every weekend I would be using it on my off weeks. 

If you aren't shooting a match every weekend then I would say you need one.
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Post by BE Mike 6/2/2017, 4:42 pm

Everyone is different, with different strengths and weaknesses. If you have identified, through a diary, that sustained fire is a weakness, i.e., getting the first shot off at a match or other identifiable problem, then turning targets may help. Most coaches believe in having your training mirror match conditions. Apparently though, it's different strokes for different folks. What works for a military team member or another who is a high master, may not be appropriate for a marksman or sharpshooter. If you have laid out a reasonable training program for yourself, that you are following and are taking advantage of a shooting diary and written shot plan, you'll be able to answer your own question, as to the value of any additional training aids. Of course a good coach, which most of us don't have the luxury of having, can be the best training aid.
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Post by fpk 6/2/2017, 6:13 pm

I've recently discovered Ed Hall's site, which amount the treasure trove is this:

http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/turningsystemnew.html

If you are at all mechanically inclined, this looks really easy to build.

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Post by zanemoseley 6/2/2017, 6:19 pm

fpk wrote:I've recently discovered Ed Hall's site, which amount the treasure trove is this:

http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/turningsystemnew.html

If you are at all mechanically inclined, this looks really easy to build.

The hard part doesn't appear to be the turning assembly itself. The hard part is getting a controller that will read commands and actuate your target.

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Post by fpk 6/2/2017, 6:23 pm

zanemoseley wrote:
fpk wrote:I've recently discovered Ed Hall's site, which amount the treasure trove is this:

http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/turningsystemnew.html

If you are at all mechanically inclined, this looks really easy to build.

The hard part doesn't appear to be the turning assembly itself. The hard part is getting a controller that will read commands and actuate your target.
That doesn't seem that hard to fix with a NEMA stepper and some gears. Now I'm intrigued and will see if I can design something that would work.

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Post by Tim:H11 6/2/2017, 6:53 pm

I would LOVE my own personal turning target system on my home range but I'm not going to drop the money on it. I shot 2594 at the regionals. A personal best. I started shooting full 2700's a little under a year ago. I had no turning targets to practice with and still don't. Only time I shoot em is at a match. With a turning target I find just hold middle of the edge of the board. When it turns, fine tune the shot and make it a good one. All the time in the world to get it right. Don't rush it. My problem in the beginning was I'd hammer that first shot trying to ambush the target and not waste time. You got PLENTY of time. Pick your shots. Take your time. Biggest advice that has worked yet for me was to slow down and shoot my own game. For the longest time I've been judging time by when others are shooting. Can't do it. I rush shots and it's a nightmare. If you fine you're too late for a last shot just keep at it. You'll get there.

Thanks for the advice Michael!
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Post by smdial 9/22/2022, 2:14 pm

IF you're still looking for a turning target system, you can combine Tom Talpey's bullseye app with my circuit board:

https://github.com/100-5x/Bullseye-Target-System

I can build and send to you if interested.

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Post by fc60 9/22/2022, 5:43 pm

Jon Eulette wrote:I broke 2650 never training on turning targets. I broke 2650 never/rarely practicing 50 yds. Learn to pull the trigger! No gimmicks to shooting well. I think the mind is the most powerful training aid. Turning targets or laser training systems (whatever) are over rated. It has to happen in the mind before it can happen on the target. Everything a BE shooter needs can be found in dry firing and reinforcing it in live fire. So I don't think you need the turning target system.
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Greetings Jon,

With a turning target setup you might have made 2670. Maybe even beat Hershel's 2680.

Cheers,

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Post by Jon Eulette 9/22/2022, 6:12 pm

Dave, 
I think my biggest mistake was shooting long slides for too long. I’ve shot 890’s with them, but not as many as I believe I would have with a 5” gun. Much more forgiving on the long line. I never put up 3 good aggregates back to back. My PB aggregates break 70….maybe someday:)
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Post by wamalo 9/24/2022, 2:27 pm

From my perspective there's only slow and sustained fire.  Many will disagree, but I don't distinguish between timed and rapid fire; they're both merely sustained fire.  Slow fire can be practiced on any type of target system.  Sustained fire practice required a turning target.  While you can use a timer of some type, Mark Time for instance, but you lose practicing where to hold on the target edge, any slight adjustments that must be done upon target face, and quick first shot squeeze.  Lastly, you need to get to the point where shooting a target is routine whether it's in practice, in a match, or in an alibi.  Much easier said than done.

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Post by Jack H 9/24/2022, 2:44 pm

Chris Miceli wrote:You must learn to shoot the turn

You must learn to shoot YOUR shot within whatever conditions are apparent.
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