No "Division" at the Nationals

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Dan,
I gave you a warning that those rules were unworkable prior to your pursuit of the "production" class championship. I was told by people who would know that most matches held nationwide would be "open" class due to the difference in the administration of matches with 3 sub classes per classification.

Administering these matches add a significant workload and manpower burden that I don't see being addressable for years.

Sorry.

I think they had good intentions, but there was too little interest and the feedback I heard was it was just too hard to manage.

Make sure you attend the NRA Competitor's Meeting and let them know how you feel.

- Dave

Motorcycle Dan
  I mentioned last year on a post that they were not allowing any extra days or times for the new classes. Just like you, I would like to see how the rest of the Metallic shooters are doing. I suffered thru a 2700 yesterday with iron sights so I would be one match closer to getting a new card. Look on the bright side. The 2 of us (made up number) that have this new classification will be setting national records every other match next year when they say they are going to start recording them. Hmmmm. Bet that doesn't happen either.

Len

I'll would love to be SS "National Champion" with iron sights.  I've been shooting well enough that I would be competitive--if only in my class.  I agree with Len, I just don't see NRA in a hurry to start recording those new records.

As far as I can read:

Division awards are not required for any NRA Approved or Registered Tournament, which probably includes the National Match Tournament since it is a sanctioned match; unless specified in the Official (Match) Program. As a matter of fact, a tournament can pretty much say what matches, guns, courses of fire and competitors are allowed; upon review the NRA will determine if the Program meets the requirements for Approved or Registered tournament. 
  
If it is a Registered tournament, the classification use is required by the rules; there is no mention of Division requirements.  Match directors may send in the scores by Division, but it looks like Approved matches do not even have to have more than one award class (the rules do not appear to include any Division award requirements unless specified in the match Program).  

National Records can only be set at Registered matches.

If anyone wants to see how open sight skills match up, just go to the CMP competition tracker and check out the high scores.  If you want to check out for NRA matches, just look at the trophy scores before about 1980 or 1990.  Have fun!

What ever happened to going to perry to shoot in your standard bullseye class? Why a need to try and compete in any obscure class they might come up with unless you have mastered basic bullseye. I watched and followed Dan as he progresed and really thought he had a chance at being a national champion until he went off in 50 directions on obscure shooting ventures. Dan come back to the basics my friend I want to see how far you can go! As to why none of these new classes at perry it may be because the rumor is this is perrys last year and the nationals will be moved to Columbus ohio next season. just a rumor, but from a very high up in the competition.

Not everyone chooses to follow the herd. 

It's a shame that the NRA seems to be letting these divisions flounder. 

I've shot metallic since it launched. The best thing it has done for me is to allow me to readvance through the classes. It's less fun (at least to me) to shoot in a class that is beyond your skill level.

I've been doing the same as Dewey--but only as a measure to practice for my distinguished badge.  I'm still very competitive in my class--I won the SS class at the Wisconsin State Indoor Championship with iron sights over competitors with red-dots.  I found it rewarding.

DavidR wrote:
 As to why none of these new classes at perry it may be because the rumor is this is perrys last year and the nationals will be moved to Columbus ohio next season. just a rumor, but from a very high up in the competition.

Which Columbus range do they intend to use? The plans for Perry are made 2 or more yrs in advance.
Ron Habegger

just a rumor and it wasn't said which range but that it was new and had 300 firing points.

There is a HUGE trap shooting complex just north of Columbus, but it's not set up for any pistol competitions yet as there are homes less than a mile downrange to the north of those firing points, and no backstop.  They haven't built the turning target system either.

I would say those things would need to be completed prior to any discussions about moving the national matches there.

Smallbore was sent to Vandalia for a few years so they can accommodate the F class rifle worlds.  But relocating pistol wasn't in the works, I didn't think.

are you thinking of the Cardinal Center in Marengo? And, I thought smallbore went to Bristol, Indiana?

I'm not aware that relocating pistol was "in the works" by anyone--except maybe the outfit running the range that's getting built.

Perhaps they figure if they build a nice, new, facility that can handle the national match, and nobody invests in repairing the target system at Camp Perry, that they will get the national pistol matches by default.

Cardinal Center in Marengo is the rumor I heard.

Cardinal Center is a privately owned property that's been very nicely developed as a Trap shooting facility and year round campground. They do have a deep pockets owner so anythings possible. I understand they've installed a Bunker trap field also, so anythings possible.

Now if we could only get turning targets and backstops on our Michigan Trap Association home grounds in Mason, Michigan, we'd be all set... (fat chance)

Cardinal Center is a beautiful facility run by people who know how to run big matches.  Top notch vendors row.  Golf cart rental.  I could go on and on.  I would love to shoot Nationals there.

I also heard that a private company offered to repair the systems at perry and were told no because of the rumored move next year.

sixftunda wrote:Cardinal Center is a beautiful facility run by people who know how to run big matches.  Top notch vendors row.  Golf cart rental.  I could go on and on.  I would love to shoot Nationals there.

Looks like a nice venue, easy to get to, except for the west of the rockies shooters, but the people mentioned above must be willing to let the NRA call the "shots" while they stay in the background.

Ron Habegger

In total, there are 29 classified competitors nationwide in Production and Metallic combined.  Given that about 2% of classified competitors attend the national championships, that means that about 1 competitor using those divisions would attend.  It was NOT an oversight not to include those divisions, it was a conscious decision not to do so and to wait to see if the divisions are popular enough to support their inclusion at the championships.

Some easy to understand info on what exactly these classes are would build interest imo

dennisl.willing wrote:In total, there are 29 classified competitors nationwide in Production and Metallic combined.  Given that about 2% of classified competitors attend the national championships, that means that about 1 competitor using those divisions would attend.  It was NOT an oversight not to include those divisions, it was a conscious decision not to do so and to wait to see if the divisions are popular enough to support their inclusion at the championships.

I don't see it being very popular until it is a class at Camp Perry. I know I'm not going to put in the effort just to shoot by myself at a few local matches. If there are not enough competitors it could be offered as an "honorary" award. That way the infrastructure is there, the score cards include the necessary options, the stat office computers can track it. All the wrinkles are worked out and support can grow.

There will be 30 of us when I get my card. Looking forward to setting new National records every match. The 3 year wait period is almost up. Another reason for interest in those divisions.

Len

The HP rifle has many divisions, Service, Reserve, Civilian, Match Rifle. Service Rifle, etc.  It isn't rocket science to have divisions.  The problem here seems to be participation.  You need to have a minimum of participation to make it meaningful.