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Post by Dan Thrift on Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:39 pm

I am just starting to get interested in accurizing my S-A 1911 .45. Right now,my trigger is about 4lbs. Can it be lightened for Bullseye comp and by how much, to be legal?
Thanks in advance.             Dan

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Post by mspingeld on Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:06 pm

3.5 for Bullseye. 4lbs for distinguished.

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Post by C.Perkins on Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:13 pm

Welcome to the forum;

NRA Bullseye:
.22 = 2.0#
C.F. = 2.5#
.45 = 3.5#
Distinguished revolver(D.R.) = 2.5#

CMP(EIC)(Ball)(Service pistol) = 4.0#

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Post by mspingeld on Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:14 pm

Keep in mind, if you shoot a 45 for CF, it still has to be 3.5.

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Post by Froneck on Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:51 pm

Also Ball is not required for the CMP Service Pistol Match (EIC) though it must be jacketed. Reloaded 185gr JHP was what I used last year. Lead is not allowed.

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Post by LenV on Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:58 pm

And to further confuse/clarify the question. You may shoot a 2.5 lb trigger for the 45 match as long as the pistol is not an automatic. You may also shoot the 1911 in the CF match as long as it is not a 45 at 2.5 lbs.

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Post by Christopher Miceli on Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:14 am

Len.... My head just blew up

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Post by AllAces on Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:54 am

Chris,

At some point the Bullseye rules have caused all our heads to explode. You will recover.

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Post by BE Mike on Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:43 am

This is a good time to get acquainted with the NRA rulebook: http://rulebooks.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/Pistol/pistol-book.pdf

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Post by DavidR on Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:45 am

Christopher Miceli wrote:Len.... My head just blew up
Its not that complicated, revolvers can run 2.5, 1911's  in calibers other than 45 acp can run 2.5 ( 38,9mm,32,...)

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Post by Froneck on Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:56 am

Not to change the topic but in looking at the rules as posed by BE Mike. I seen that Service Pistol Specification 3.1 on page 10 states the ammo is 230gr. FMJ round nose. Is this a change or is the NRA sleeping on the job? I know the CMP makes the Service Pistol Rules but I'm wondering if the CMP rules have been changed from last year?
 Reason I was looking though I haven't used anything in lesser caliber than the 1911 type .45 for a looooong time (since 1983) I was thinking that Semi Autos less than .45 here were required to have a 3 pounds trigger pull. Nothing is mentioned, CF revolver can be 2 1/2 pounds so something like the S&W 52 in .38 SWC can also have 2 1/2 pounds plus everything else except the .45 Semi Auto?

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Post by LenV on Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:57 am

DavidR wrote:
Christopher Miceli wrote:Len.... My head just blew up
Its not that complicated, revolvers can run 2.5, 1911's  in calibers other than 45 acp can run 2.5 ( 38,9mm,32,...)

10mm, 400 Corbon......A 1911 with a 700 fps 45 round is un-safe to shoot with a trigger less than 3.5 lbs but all other rounds are safe to go down to 2.5. That should clear it right up. Smile

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Post by Merick on Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:37 pm

"1911's  in calibers ...  32  ..."

???

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Post by james r chapman on Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:17 pm

Merick wrote:"1911's  in calibers ...  32  ..."

???

Bet Jerry's got one hidden somewhere,...

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Post by Jerry Keefer on Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:46 pm

No, I have been reluctant to pursue the 32...
I will add, that I and many Masters/High Masters find ultra  light triggers a hindrance rather than an asset..
I like to load my trigger in preparation for the shot..  The 52 we use had a 2.5 lb trigger.. Didn't work for us, and  it now has a crisp 3.5..

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Post by cdrt on Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:21 pm

Froneck wrote:Not to change the topic but in looking at the rules as posed by BE Mike. I seen that Service Pistol Specification 3.1 on page 10 states the ammo is 230gr. FMJ round nose. Is this a change or is the NRA sleeping on the job? I know the CMP makes the Service Pistol Rules but I'm wondering if the CMP rules have been changed from last year?
 Reason I was looking though I haven't used anything in lesser caliber than the 1911 type .45 for a looooong time (since 1983) I was thinking that Semi Autos less than .45 here were required to have a 3 pounds trigger pull. Nothing is mentioned, CF revolver can be 2 1/2 pounds so something like the S&W 52 in .38 SWC can also have 2 1/2 pounds plus everything else except the .45 Semi Auto?

CMP Service Pistols for the EIC match can use any weight jacketed bullets.
If you shoot an NRA Service Pistol match, the NRA requires 230 grain round nose FMJ's for the .45 or 115-125 round nose FMJ's for the 9mm.  This is not a change for the NRA for the .45, that's way it has always been for their Service Pistol matches.  About the only ones around here who run an NRA Service Pistol match is OKC Gun Club.
If you shoot the as-issued 1911 match at the CMP games, you need the 230 grain round nose FMJ.

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Post by james r chapman on Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:39 pm

cdrt wrote:
Froneck wrote:Not to change the topic but in looking at the rules as posed by BE Mike. I seen that Service Pistol Specification 3.1 on page 10 states the ammo is 230gr. FMJ round nose. Is this a change or is the NRA sleeping on the job? I know the CMP makes the Service Pistol Rules but I'm wondering if the CMP rules have been changed from last year?
 Reason I was looking though I haven't used anything in lesser caliber than the 1911 type .45 for a looooong time (since 1983) I was thinking that Semi Autos less than .45 here were required to have a 3 pounds trigger pull. Nothing is mentioned, CF revolver can be 2 1/2 pounds so something like the S&W 52 in .38 SWC can also have 2 1/2 pounds plus everything else except the .45 Semi Auto?

CMP Service Pistols for the EIC match can use any weight jacketed bullets.
If you shoot an NRA Service Pistol match, the NRA requires 230 grain round nose FMJ's for the .45 or 115-125 round nose FMJ's for the 9mm.  This is not a change for the NRA for the .45, that's way it has always been for their Service Pistol matches.  About the only ones around here who run an NRA Service Pistol match is OKC Gun Club.
If you shoot the as-issued 1911 match at the CMP games, you need the 230 grain round nose FMJ.
Not necessarily. Apparently a match may designate any jacketed bullet for NRA Service Pistol. Only Distinguished Revolver and CMP EIC matches have definitive ammo rules...

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Post by cdrt on Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:25 pm

james r chapman wrote:
cdrt wrote:
Froneck wrote:Not to change the topic but in looking at the rules as posed by BE Mike. I seen that Service Pistol Specification 3.1 on page 10 states the ammo is 230gr. FMJ round nose. Is this a change or is the NRA sleeping on the job? I know the CMP makes the Service Pistol Rules but I'm wondering if the CMP rules have been changed from last year?
 Reason I was looking though I haven't used anything in lesser caliber than the 1911 type .45 for a looooong time (since 1983) I was thinking that Semi Autos less than .45 here were required to have a 3 pounds trigger pull. Nothing is mentioned, CF revolver can be 2 1/2 pounds so something like the S&W 52 in .38 SWC can also have 2 1/2 pounds plus everything else except the .45 Semi Auto?

CMP Service Pistols for the EIC match can use any weight jacketed bullets.
If you shoot an NRA Service Pistol match, the NRA requires 230 grain round nose FMJ's for the .45 or 115-125 round nose FMJ's for the 9mm.  This is not a change for the NRA for the .45, that's way it has always been for their Service Pistol matches.  About the only ones around here who run an NRA Service Pistol match is OKC Gun Club.
If you shoot the as-issued 1911 match at the CMP games, you need the 230 grain round nose FMJ.
Not necessarily. Apparently a match may designate any jacketed bullet for NRA Service Pistol. Only Distinguished Revolver and CMP EIC matches have definitive ammo rules...
Oops....read that rule a little too fast.  The NRA is still using the old rule for EIC matches, but it appears they have no rule of their own for NRA Service Pistol matches as far as ammo goes.  Now if we could just get guys not to show up with lead bullets for the Service Pistol EIC matches, it would make my job easier.

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