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Model 41 PC Disappointment

Post by Pinetree on 8/2/2017, 9:57 am

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After much saving and researching and pestering my friend at the LGS, I finally tracked down a Performance Center 41.

$1,589.99 later, I'm one proud owner.

Install an Ultradot 4, and off to the Ikes I go.


It was very nice for the first hour, but then the problems set in.

Mag button tried to unscrew itself, allowing the magazine to fall out of the gun.

Figured that out and tightened it.

Next day - The safety is so tight, I about need a hammer to disengage it. (Yes, I know, target gun, nobody needs it...)

Drop of oil on the lever and work it a few times.

Fine.

Now, even though it's still tight, it re-engages itself after two or three rounds. The onliest way I can shoot 5 rounds is to lay my thumb on the lever.

And then the stovepipes. The feed ramp looks like a dirt road.

So off it goes back to Smith, free of charge of course.

Now, I'm not a hater, no sir, I have a pile of S&W's, including another Performance Center gun, but this M41 just doesn't seem near up to the standard... and after doing a bit of Googling, it seems that others have experienced nearly the same issues (they all do it).



What's your experience?

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Re: Model 41 PC Disappointment

Post by 243winxb on 8/26/2017, 10:31 am

My model 41 was not as bad as the  S&W .32 automatic  (Number. 50) i picked up.   Sold both of them years ago.  
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Re: Model 41 PC Disappointment

Post by troystaten on 8/26/2017, 11:07 am

The 41's are a funny bunch. Seems like some of them are nothing but trouble and need a trip to someone like KC and others seem to run fine out of the box with not a hiccup. My early 70's version runs almost flawlessly and at first I thought it was because I thoroughly cleaned it every time I shoot it. Now I don't clean it unless I have shot at least 500 rounds through it and it does not seem to make a difference function wise I could probably clean it even less but I don't like a filthy firearm.  The strangest thing is that after cleaning it the first round will stovepipe and then it is back to running fine.  I am convinced that most of the problems with 41's are extractor or recoil spring related.  Hope you get yours working.  And I agree one should not have to do anything too a 1500 dollar pistol to make it run well.

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Re: Model 41 PC Disappointment

Post by Pinetree on 9/2/2017, 7:02 am

Gun returned from S&W yesterday. New safety and extractor if I'm deciphering the paperwork correctly.

First 30 rounds worked flawlessly, so we shall see how it goes.


It's wonderful that they fixed it and all, but replacing parts on a brand new Performance Center gun makes me just scratch my head and wonder.

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Re: Model 41 PC Disappointment

Post by oldsalt444 on 9/2/2017, 12:01 pm

I bought an old 5 digit serial # 41 (1958) recently.  No scope, just irons.  It jammed way too often.  Sent it back to S&W after I tried the usual remedies.  They had to replace the bolt, extractor and ejector.  Just got it back $200 later and it performs flawlessly with CCI SV, Wolf and SK.  Norma Match is a problem, but a lighter spring would probably fix that.  Keeping the chamber clean is all important.

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Re: Model 41 PC Disappointment

Post by fpk on 9/5/2017, 7:39 pm

I agree that that safety is kinda weird and needs to have the right amount of tension on the screw, but it is fixable with some patience to find the right amount.

I can tell you that the drop of oil on forward point of the brass of the top round of each magazine may not be necessary in all of them, but in some of them definitely need that (like mine).  It is like magic and makes the gun function flawlessly. The ones that need this likely have a chamber that is ever so slightly smaller than the ones that do not.  It is a good thing, but needs the oil to function perfectly. I also put in a 6lb variable spring from Wolff.

I would avoid the federal ammo in this gun. CCI standard velocity is the "gold standard" for model 41s, but I have found that Aquila Rifle Match (1070 fps) to work exceedingly well in mine, so I shoot that as it is good quality and less expensive than the CCI.

I find the trigger on the the Model 41 to be nearly perfect, the overall weight to be a huge help with dampening felt recoil and aiming wobble, and it will shoot as well as you can without any adjust beyond the above.

BTW, you do not need to spend $1500 for one. I found mine used this year on gun broker for $700. It is a UBK serial number, which should be 2003 vintage. It was (and still is) missing the rear sight, but I only shoot it with a matchdot, so I don't miss it.

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Re: Model 41 PC Disappointment

Post by Pinetree on 9/8/2017, 1:00 pm

Well, being the open-minded guy that I am, I tried the CCI standard velocity, and have to say that the gun really likes it.

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Re: Model 41 PC Disappointment

Post by Keithcrc on 9/10/2017, 2:01 pm

My first go around with an older 41 required a 7# recoil spring. It had a steady diet of RWS Target for the long line and CCI Standard for sustained fire with minimal stovepiping. This lasted about 5 or six years that way. I sold that gun and the long barrel as it had more collector value than the next one. The next and present one is a newer model and ran the same way until the spring wore out and the back of the breech had to be cleaned up. It is now wearing a Clark Douglas barrel (heavy). After replacing the firing pin spring and retaining pin as well as a 7# spring it likes CCI Standard and with it, it groups about 3/16ths larger than old Eley club which groups about the same as a new FWB AW93 grouping about an inch and a half @ 50yds. (and costing around $2500). So I guess for the price point the 41 is still a pretty good value, not that I wouldn't mind having an FWB

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