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Post by RoyDean 11/1/2023, 10:36 am

I am now forced to "eat humble pie"!

I have been a very vocal advocate of Aguila Super Extra Standard Velocity 22LR ammunition. I've shot tens of thousands and have had very few duds and almost no malfunctions in a variety of pistols, but particularly Pardini's. Inexpensive, accurate, reliable - what's not to like?

The box with the yellow flash on the left is the ammo that I have extolled. The new stock with the red/blue on the right I bought recently from a dealer in Tempe, AZ for about $3.00/box (for a case of 2,000). 

The new version is not the same. Feels much softer than before. Not enough "ooomph!". For me it is useless, numerous malfunctions in both a Pardini and a Rugger 22/45. Definitely not recommended!

Now gagging on the humble pie!

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Post by chiz1180 11/1/2023, 11:00 am

The box on the left had always been a good bargain chain for me, especially for new shooter and indoor leagues. Bummer the new stuff doesn’t seem to perform.
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Post by djperry2 11/1/2023, 11:33 am

I recently got a 2000 round case of the red,blue, and white Aguila 22. It's accuracy seems on par with CCi SV, but as soon as I started using it I started getting failure to load the second round in T and R. This is in three pistols, one Nelson, one Kart, and wife's 22/45 lite. It does feel lighter than CCI even though specs are faster. Maybe someone could chrono some to check.

I remembered the old 41 practice of oiling the top round in a mag and tried it. After that it worked well.

I cleaned the Nelson good thinking it had some chamber buildup. It shot 20 rounds without oiling top round then started firing the first shot but not picking up the second round again. It was short stroking.
Thinking this batch is not up to snuff but will continue oiling until they are gone, while waiting for CCI to run a good sale again.

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Post by mbmshooter 11/1/2023, 12:03 pm

RoyDean wrote:I am now forced to "eat humble pie"!

I have been a very vocal advocate of Aguila Super Extra Standard Velocity 22LR ammunition. I've shot tens of thousands and have had very few duds and almost no malfunctions in a variety of pistols, but particularly Pardini's. Inexpensive, accurate, reliable - what's not to like?

The box with the yellow flash on the left is the ammo that I have extolled. The new stock with the red/blue on the right I bought recently from a dealer in Tempe, AZ for about $3.00/box (for a case of 2,000). 

The new version is not the same. Feels much softer than before. Not enough "ooomph!". For me it is useless, numerous malfunctions in both a Pardini and a Rugger 22/45. Definitely not recommended!

Now gagging on the humble pie!

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Roy,


I had several cases of the "old" Aguila" and found it shot well through my Marvel and Hammerli.  I sold most of it to folks who were struggling to find ammo during the drought.
My friend Dennis shoots a 22/45 and apparently got hold of the "new" stuff because he has been experiencing the same symptoms you described with that ammo.  I couldn't figure out why and appreciate your taking the time to explain and to educate the rest of us.  
My suggestion is BUYER BEWARE!


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Post by james r chapman 11/1/2023, 12:12 pm

Same issues with”new” light blue CCI V. “Old” dark blue CCI
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Post by Wobbley 11/1/2023, 1:27 pm

Aguila 22 - not the same! Img_0316
I bought 2000 of these for training and local matches.  Only function tested so far by loading a 10 round mag and doing a “mag dump”. No issues and each round had a healthy uniform recoil in the hand.  Accuracy and zero test is next.  Just posting as an option.
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Post by bruce martindale 11/1/2023, 4:33 pm

I found Tac l bought a few years ago to be light and stopped using it in pistol. Hopefully they fixed it.

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Post by Sa-tevp 11/1/2023, 6:29 pm

Wobbley wrote:Aguila 22 - not the same! Img_0316
I bought 2000 of these for training and local matches.  Only function tested so far by loading a 10 round mag and doing a “mag dump”. No issues and each round had a healthy uniform recoil in the hand.  Accuracy and zero test is next.  Just posting as an option.


5 shots, recent Norma TAC-22. 1969 Anschutz 1407 with factory sights, on a sandbag, 50 yards.

Aguila 22 - not the same! Annie10

Seems promising if it cycles a 22 pistol. I use it for Free Pistol and Small Bore practice. Comes up on sale every couple of weeks.

Edit: Target was TAC-22 1083 fps, not TAC-22 Subsonic.


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Post by Multiracer 11/1/2023, 6:43 pm

Its the lube or lack of with the new ammo lately.

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Post by TonyH 11/1/2023, 8:36 pm

Norma Tac-22 cycles my Euro guns without a hiccup and is accurate to boot. A Nelson conversion with a lighter recoil spring works just as well.Haven't tried the new flavor Aguila as of yet.
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Post by TonyH 11/1/2023, 8:47 pm

Roy,
I would try contacting Aguila tech support and see if they are willing to test and resolve. I have good luck with CCI resolving similar issues.
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Post by RoyDean 11/1/2023, 9:13 pm

Tony,

Thanks, but life is too short! Sold the case on, less 100 rounds, to someone to plink with. They got a bargain, I got some education! When I return next year I will search out an alternate - market may have evolved by then.

I think TAC-22 might be too mild for a Pardini. I know others who swear by SK and RWS. I will investigate next year.

I still have a good size stash of "yellow slash" Aguila in Oregon. That might be enough to get me through 2024 season anyhow. We'll see.

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Post by rbwillnj 11/1/2023, 9:57 pm

I have found the Norma TAC 22 works well in my Pardini and my Hämmerli 208s.   The Norma TAC 22 Subsonic did not have enough oomph to reliably bring the bolt back far enough to pick up the next round with my Pardini.
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Post by Kp321 11/2/2023, 8:03 am

I bought one brick of Tac-22 several years ago that was so weak it would not function in any of my semi autos. The case I bought last year is much better.

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Post by Rodger Barthlow 11/2/2023, 10:57 am

The TAC 22 ammo I bought wouldn't cycle reliably in my 208 and I even had Key Holes at 25yds. Some rounds felt so light I had to check for barrel blockage. I didn't contact Norma just stopped shooting it.
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Post by sbtzc 11/2/2023, 11:00 am

The case of Aquila I have is very waxy. It goes into an old tee-shirt with some One Shot and rolls around to get some of the wax off and lubricate a little. They are not as accurate as those I've had previously.
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Post by RoyDean 11/2/2023, 11:11 am

This thread has become quite depressing!

My long time favourite Aguila has changed and, if the case I recently bought in AZ is anything to go by, is not longer fit for purpose.

My Pardini's don't like CCI SV and, in any case, there have been many differing opinions on recent batches of CCI. Also not fit for my purpose.

The posts above regarding TAC-22 indicate that is also quite "iffy". I doubt very much that Wobbly's subsonic TAC22 will suit a Pardini.

I ran a search on AmmoSeek and then looked at Target Sports site. The choice of 22 ammo has narrowed considerably and the brands lauded by others on this forum in the past (Wolf, SK, etc.) are now relatively quite expensive.

Maybe I have to reconcile myself with shooting the very reliable and fit for my purpose Eley Bullseye Pistol X for both practice and match until something new comes along.  Aguila 22 - not the same! 1883569342$$$$$

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Post by DA/SA 11/2/2023, 11:20 am

Perhaps drop the recoil spring weight by a pound.
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Post by RoyDean 11/2/2023, 11:27 am

No can do on a Pardini!
I want training and match ammo to have closely similar characteristics.

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Post by rbwillnj 11/2/2023, 11:36 am

RoyDean wrote:This thread has become quite depressing!

My long time favourite Aguila has changed and, if the case I recently bought in AZ is anything to go by, is not longer fit for purpose.

My Pardini's don't like CCI SV and, in any case, there have been many differing opinions on recent batches of CCI. Also not fit for my purpose.

The posts above regarding TAC-22 indicate that is also quite "iffy". I doubt very much that Wobbly's subsonic TAC22 will suit a Pardini.

I ran a search on AmmoSeek and then looked at Target Sports site. The choice of 22 ammo has narrowed considerably and the brands lauded by others on this forum in the past (Wolf, SK, etc.) are now relatively quite expensive.

Maybe I have to reconcile myself with shooting the very reliable and fit for my purpose Eley Bullseye Pistol X for both practice and match until something new comes along.  Aguila 22 - not the same! 1883569342$$$$$

There is a non-subsonic version of the TAC-22 with a MV of 1083fps.   So far (in warm weather) it has worked fine in my Pardini.  I bought a couple cases.  Sometimes the Norma site has it on sale for less than the current $5 a box.

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Post by PhotoEscape 11/2/2023, 12:31 pm

I suggest trying Magtech Standard as alternative training ammo.  It is not the cleanest ammo, but in par with Aguila.  Sufficiently accurate for training, and mostly reliable, - I used it in Matchguns MG2 with much better success rate than Aguila SE and even new CCI SV.  And it is priced at the Aguila level - about $280 / 5000 delivered.  Information below.

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Post by Wobbley 11/2/2023, 2:02 pm

Re Magtech.  It works very well for training, but availability has been iffy.
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Post by Foundryratjim 11/2/2023, 2:49 pm

Wobbley wrote:Aguila 22 - not the same! Img_0316
I bought 2000 of these for training and local matches.  Only function tested so far by loading a 10 round mag and doing a “mag dump”. No issues and each round had a healthy uniform recoil in the hand.  Accuracy and zero test is next.  Just posting as an option.
I bought some of these and they worked well in the warmer temperatures but do not like the cooler temps....

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Post by Gustavo1957 11/2/2023, 3:52 pm

Hello,

In January 2018 I bought ( 5 )- 5,000 rd  cases of Aguila SV to shoot in my HS 107 with an LSP barrel after trying single boxes from a LGS and finding it to function with no issues. I've shared some of this with  others and nobody  reported issues with other HS's or S&W 41's..

I also bought ( 2 ) cases of Aguila Pistol Match, but found no real difference in accuracy.  I'm wondering if others found Pistol Match to be a more accurate ammo and in what guns?  I shared some of this with Bruce who I think uses it in his Hammerli's. 
Not sure Pistol Match is still available? 

We shoot in winter leagues and the gun clubs aren't heated until someone arrives and usually starts the wood  stove. Everyone tries to keep their ammo warm by leaving loaded magazines in their pockets. Not ideal, but we still try to continue to shoot..

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Post by james r chapman 11/2/2023, 5:40 pm

I believe Pistol Match is only 950 +- fps.
Compared to 1080 SV
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