Aguila 22 - not the same!
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Aguila 22 - not the same!
I am now forced to "eat humble pie"!
I have been a very vocal advocate of Aguila Super Extra Standard Velocity 22LR ammunition. I've shot tens of thousands and have had very few duds and almost no malfunctions in a variety of pistols, but particularly Pardini's. Inexpensive, accurate, reliable - what's not to like?
The box with the yellow flash on the left is the ammo that I have extolled. The new stock with the red/blue on the right I bought recently from a dealer in Tempe, AZ for about $3.00/box (for a case of 2,000).
The new version is not the same. Feels much softer than before. Not enough "ooomph!". For me it is useless, numerous malfunctions in both a Pardini and a Rugger 22/45. Definitely not recommended!
Now gagging on the humble pie!
I have been a very vocal advocate of Aguila Super Extra Standard Velocity 22LR ammunition. I've shot tens of thousands and have had very few duds and almost no malfunctions in a variety of pistols, but particularly Pardini's. Inexpensive, accurate, reliable - what's not to like?
The box with the yellow flash on the left is the ammo that I have extolled. The new stock with the red/blue on the right I bought recently from a dealer in Tempe, AZ for about $3.00/box (for a case of 2,000).
The new version is not the same. Feels much softer than before. Not enough "ooomph!". For me it is useless, numerous malfunctions in both a Pardini and a Rugger 22/45. Definitely not recommended!
Now gagging on the humble pie!
RoyDean- Posts : 1000
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The box on the left had always been a good bargain chain for me, especially for new shooter and indoor leagues. Bummer the new stuff doesn’t seem to perform.
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Re: Aguila 22 - not the same!
I recently got a 2000 round case of the red,blue, and white Aguila 22. It's accuracy seems on par with CCi SV, but as soon as I started using it I started getting failure to load the second round in T and R. This is in three pistols, one Nelson, one Kart, and wife's 22/45 lite. It does feel lighter than CCI even though specs are faster. Maybe someone could chrono some to check.
I remembered the old 41 practice of oiling the top round in a mag and tried it. After that it worked well.
I cleaned the Nelson good thinking it had some chamber buildup. It shot 20 rounds without oiling top round then started firing the first shot but not picking up the second round again. It was short stroking.
Thinking this batch is not up to snuff but will continue oiling until they are gone, while waiting for CCI to run a good sale again.
Darrell
I remembered the old 41 practice of oiling the top round in a mag and tried it. After that it worked well.
I cleaned the Nelson good thinking it had some chamber buildup. It shot 20 rounds without oiling top round then started firing the first shot but not picking up the second round again. It was short stroking.
Thinking this batch is not up to snuff but will continue oiling until they are gone, while waiting for CCI to run a good sale again.
Darrell
Last edited by djperry2 on Wed Nov 01, 2023 12:35 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : correct spelling)
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Re: Aguila 22 - not the same!
RoyDean wrote:I am now forced to "eat humble pie"!
I have been a very vocal advocate of Aguila Super Extra Standard Velocity 22LR ammunition. I've shot tens of thousands and have had very few duds and almost no malfunctions in a variety of pistols, but particularly Pardini's. Inexpensive, accurate, reliable - what's not to like?
The box with the yellow flash on the left is the ammo that I have extolled. The new stock with the red/blue on the right I bought recently from a dealer in Tempe, AZ for about $3.00/box (for a case of 2,000).
The new version is not the same. Feels much softer than before. Not enough "ooomph!". For me it is useless, numerous malfunctions in both a Pardini and a Rugger 22/45. Definitely not recommended!
Now gagging on the humble pie!
Roy,
I had several cases of the "old" Aguila" and found it shot well through my Marvel and Hammerli. I sold most of it to folks who were struggling to find ammo during the drought.
My friend Dennis shoots a 22/45 and apparently got hold of the "new" stuff because he has been experiencing the same symptoms you described with that ammo. I couldn't figure out why and appreciate your taking the time to explain and to educate the rest of us.
My suggestion is BUYER BEWARE!
Mike
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Re: Aguila 22 - not the same!
Same issues with”new” light blue CCI V. “Old” dark blue CCI
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I found Tac l bought a few years ago to be light and stopped using it in pistol. Hopefully they fixed it.
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Last edited by Sa-tevp on Wed Nov 01, 2023 8:24 pm; edited 2 times in total (Reason for editing : Target was TAC-22 1083 fps, not subsonic.)
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Re: Aguila 22 - not the same!
Its the lube or lack of with the new ammo lately.
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Norma Tac-22 cycles my Euro guns without a hiccup and is accurate to boot. A Nelson conversion with a lighter recoil spring works just as well.Haven't tried the new flavor Aguila as of yet.
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Re: Aguila 22 - not the same!
Roy,
I would try contacting Aguila tech support and see if they are willing to test and resolve. I have good luck with CCI resolving similar issues.
I would try contacting Aguila tech support and see if they are willing to test and resolve. I have good luck with CCI resolving similar issues.
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Tony,
Thanks, but life is too short! Sold the case on, less 100 rounds, to someone to plink with. They got a bargain, I got some education! When I return next year I will search out an alternate - market may have evolved by then.
I think TAC-22 might be too mild for a Pardini. I know others who swear by SK and RWS. I will investigate next year.
I still have a good size stash of "yellow slash" Aguila in Oregon. That might be enough to get me through 2024 season anyhow. We'll see.
Thanks, but life is too short! Sold the case on, less 100 rounds, to someone to plink with. They got a bargain, I got some education! When I return next year I will search out an alternate - market may have evolved by then.
I think TAC-22 might be too mild for a Pardini. I know others who swear by SK and RWS. I will investigate next year.
I still have a good size stash of "yellow slash" Aguila in Oregon. That might be enough to get me through 2024 season anyhow. We'll see.
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Re: Aguila 22 - not the same!
I have found the Norma TAC 22 works well in my Pardini and my Hämmerli 208s. The Norma TAC 22 Subsonic did not have enough oomph to reliably bring the bolt back far enough to pick up the next round with my Pardini.
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I bought one brick of Tac-22 several years ago that was so weak it would not function in any of my semi autos. The case I bought last year is much better.
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The TAC 22 ammo I bought wouldn't cycle reliably in my 208 and I even had Key Holes at 25yds. Some rounds felt so light I had to check for barrel blockage. I didn't contact Norma just stopped shooting it.
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The case of Aquila I have is very waxy. It goes into an old tee-shirt with some One Shot and rolls around to get some of the wax off and lubricate a little. They are not as accurate as those I've had previously.
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Re: Aguila 22 - not the same!
This thread has become quite depressing!
My long time favourite Aguila has changed and, if the case I recently bought in AZ is anything to go by, is not longer fit for purpose.
My Pardini's don't like CCI SV and, in any case, there have been many differing opinions on recent batches of CCI. Also not fit for my purpose.
The posts above regarding TAC-22 indicate that is also quite "iffy". I doubt very much that Wobbly's subsonic TAC22 will suit a Pardini.
I ran a search on AmmoSeek and then looked at Target Sports site. The choice of 22 ammo has narrowed considerably and the brands lauded by others on this forum in the past (Wolf, SK, etc.) are now relatively quite expensive.
Maybe I have to reconcile myself with shooting the very reliable and fit for my purpose Eley Bullseye Pistol X for both practice and match until something new comes along. $$$$$
My long time favourite Aguila has changed and, if the case I recently bought in AZ is anything to go by, is not longer fit for purpose.
My Pardini's don't like CCI SV and, in any case, there have been many differing opinions on recent batches of CCI. Also not fit for my purpose.
The posts above regarding TAC-22 indicate that is also quite "iffy". I doubt very much that Wobbly's subsonic TAC22 will suit a Pardini.
I ran a search on AmmoSeek and then looked at Target Sports site. The choice of 22 ammo has narrowed considerably and the brands lauded by others on this forum in the past (Wolf, SK, etc.) are now relatively quite expensive.
Maybe I have to reconcile myself with shooting the very reliable and fit for my purpose Eley Bullseye Pistol X for both practice and match until something new comes along. $$$$$
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Re: Aguila 22 - not the same!
Perhaps drop the recoil spring weight by a pound.
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No can do on a Pardini!
I want training and match ammo to have closely similar characteristics.
I want training and match ammo to have closely similar characteristics.
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Re: Aguila 22 - not the same!
RoyDean wrote:This thread has become quite depressing!
My long time favourite Aguila has changed and, if the case I recently bought in AZ is anything to go by, is not longer fit for purpose.
My Pardini's don't like CCI SV and, in any case, there have been many differing opinions on recent batches of CCI. Also not fit for my purpose.
The posts above regarding TAC-22 indicate that is also quite "iffy". I doubt very much that Wobbly's subsonic TAC22 will suit a Pardini.
I ran a search on AmmoSeek and then looked at Target Sports site. The choice of 22 ammo has narrowed considerably and the brands lauded by others on this forum in the past (Wolf, SK, etc.) are now relatively quite expensive.
Maybe I have to reconcile myself with shooting the very reliable and fit for my purpose Eley Bullseye Pistol X for both practice and match until something new comes along. $$$$$
There is a non-subsonic version of the TAC-22 with a MV of 1083fps. So far (in warm weather) it has worked fine in my Pardini. I bought a couple cases. Sometimes the Norma site has it on sale for less than the current $5 a box.
Norma Range & Training - .22LR TAC-22 40 Gr (normashooting.com)
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I suggest trying Magtech Standard as alternative training ammo. It is not the cleanest ammo, but in par with Aguila. Sufficiently accurate for training, and mostly reliable, - I used it in Matchguns MG2 with much better success rate than Aguila SE and even new CCI SV. And it is priced at the Aguila level - about $280 / 5000 delivered. Information below.
Item : 149654
SKU : 22B
Model : Rimfire Ammo
UPC : 754908184903
AP
Item : 149654
SKU : 22B
Model : Rimfire Ammo
UPC : 754908184903
AP
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Re Magtech. It works very well for training, but availability has been iffy.
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I bought some of these and they worked well in the warmer temperatures but do not like the cooler temps....
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Re: Aguila 22 - not the same!
Hello,
In January 2018 I bought ( 5 )- 5,000 rd cases of Aguila SV to shoot in my HS 107 with an LSP barrel after trying single boxes from a LGS and finding it to function with no issues. I've shared some of this with others and nobody reported issues with other HS's or S&W 41's..
I also bought ( 2 ) cases of Aguila Pistol Match, but found no real difference in accuracy. I'm wondering if others found Pistol Match to be a more accurate ammo and in what guns? I shared some of this with Bruce who I think uses it in his Hammerli's.
Not sure Pistol Match is still available?
We shoot in winter leagues and the gun clubs aren't heated until someone arrives and usually starts the wood stove. Everyone tries to keep their ammo warm by leaving loaded magazines in their pockets. Not ideal, but we still try to continue to shoot..
In January 2018 I bought ( 5 )- 5,000 rd cases of Aguila SV to shoot in my HS 107 with an LSP barrel after trying single boxes from a LGS and finding it to function with no issues. I've shared some of this with others and nobody reported issues with other HS's or S&W 41's..
I also bought ( 2 ) cases of Aguila Pistol Match, but found no real difference in accuracy. I'm wondering if others found Pistol Match to be a more accurate ammo and in what guns? I shared some of this with Bruce who I think uses it in his Hammerli's.
Not sure Pistol Match is still available?
We shoot in winter leagues and the gun clubs aren't heated until someone arrives and usually starts the wood stove. Everyone tries to keep their ammo warm by leaving loaded magazines in their pockets. Not ideal, but we still try to continue to shoot..
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I believe Pistol Match is only 950 +- fps.
Compared to 1080 SV
Compared to 1080 SV
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