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Post by orpheoet Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:04 pm

I'm inspired by another thread to finally have my gun worked on. Its a mostly stock Springfield Trophy Match with a RRA rail on the slide. I used the Ed Brown jig on the sear and fiddled with the spring to the point that I'd say its pretty decent. Right around 60 oz. I'm having Kart barrel and bushing fitted and trigger done right. What exactly can I expect? As always thanks!
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Post by Jon Eulette Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:15 pm

A good BE pistolsmith will build a pistol capable of less than 1.5" at 50 yards with both lead and jacketed match quality ammunition. Crap ammo should hold under 2.5" at 50 as well. The rest is up to you. I recommend you figure out what kind of trigger pull you want: crisp, roll. Get it done right the first time! MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A REAL BE GUNSMITH BUILD YOUR PISTOL! A typical gunsmith cannot do it right!
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Post by orpheoet Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:24 pm

I guess what I'm really asking is can I anticipate an improvement in my score:)
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Post by Jon Eulette Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:57 pm

Well for the most part you can't buy points! If you're launching shots into the white scoring rings on a regular basis you probably won't notice much difference. A trigger job would be your best friend at that point and learning the fundamentals. If you're putting majority of your shots into the black scoring rings, you'll start to see some improvement. It does help to know your equipment is perfect so you can focus on yourself.
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Post by orpheoet Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:22 pm

Jon Eulette wrote:Well for the most part you can't buy points! If you're launching shots into the white scoring rings on a regular basis you probably won't notice much difference. A trigger job would be your best friend at that point and learning the fundamentals. If you're putting majority of your shots into the black scoring rings, you'll start to see some improvement. It does help to know your equipment is perfect so you can focus on yourself.
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Jon, i just shot a 2440 55X so i feel like upgrading my equipment was a good idea. Progress is being made..
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Post by Jon Eulette Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:26 pm

Sounds like your ready!
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Post by BE Mike Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:42 am

orpheoet wrote:I'm inspired by another thread to finally have my gun worked on. Its a mostly stock Springfield Trophy Match with a RRA rail on the slide. I used the Ed Brown jig on the sear and fiddled with the spring to the point that I'd say its pretty decent. Right around 60 oz. I'm having Kart barrel and bushing fitted and trigger done right. What exactly can I expect? As always thanks!
If a lot of your shots at the long line aren't on call, then I'd expect the replacement barrel and bushing will solve that issue. I have the same pistol and can tell you that the MIM sear and hammer won't produce as good a trigger pull as replacement hardened tool steel parts will give.
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Post by orpheoet Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:54 am

I recently shot a 98 4X with this gun slow fire. Part of my decision to upgrade was wondering how much tighter that group might have been with a fitted barrel. My shots are on call, I'm trying to squeeze every point out of it now. Also the trigger is good, but not great....
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Post by BE Mike Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:00 am

orpheoet wrote:I recently shot a 98 4X with this gun slow fire. Part of my decision to upgrade was wondering how much tighter that group might have been with a fitted barrel. My shots are on call, I'm trying to squeeze every point out of it now. Also the trigger is good, but not great....
Most bullseye shooters just dream of shooting a 98 at the long line. Put your mind at rest about the quality of your equipment. You are ready to shoot that clean at 50 yards.
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Post by jmdavis Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:02 am

98-4 is a good .45 score, a very good .45 score. Particularly with irons. You will probably see your X-count rise with the improvements.
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Post by orpheoet Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:07 am

I wish that was irons! Red dot. But my highest slow fire so far....
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Post by jmdavis Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:30 am

Sorry, I thought that you were shooting irons. But make know mistake, that is an EXCELLENT score. My personal best is a 95-4x which Ive shot with the 22 with irons and dot.
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Post by DavidR Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:52 am

I disagree points can defiantly be bought, how many depends on what you are upgrading. I think your on the right track, but with a 98-4x long line not sure how many points are left on the table to be bought. The kart barrel will in most guns buy you many points, a better than stock trigger will buy you points, a dot will buy you points. Sounds like you have quality bullets loaded to maximize your guns  accuracy already so im sure upgrades will help you but the trigger upgrade may be all you really need. The rest you will have to earn the hard way with practice.


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Post by james r chapman Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:16 pm

No offense, but, if you shot a 50 yd 98-4x
Why are you asking about changing barrels, etc?

Sounds like you've already got what you need for winning a National Title,..
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Post by Rob Kovach Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:58 pm

If there are no pictures, the 98-4x didn't happen!
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Post by Rob Kovach Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:37 pm

That's nice!

I'm still shooting a stock Springfield barrel/bushing in my gun and I am competitive for EIC legs with it at this time.

I did put a drop-in Cylinder & Slide USMC roll trigger kit in there.  A good trigger goes a long way...

I agree with the others that your gun might not have a whole lot to gain.  Mine could definitely use a tighter bushing, but I never bothered....

Maybe I'll send mine in after I get my badge, but mine is good enough for me right now.
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Post by BE Mike Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:09 pm

That's some hard holdin'. Congrats!
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Post by james r chapman Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:11 pm

orpheoet wrote:
james r chapman wrote:No offense, but, if you shot a 50 yd 98-4x
Why are you asking about changing barrels, etc?

Sounds like you've already got what you need for winning a National Title,.
Well, I don't take offense at the start of reply.....
But the last sentence seems a bit disingenuous.
I'm 14 months into the process and just asking for some guidance.
Then my guidance would be, continue what your doing, with what you have.

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