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Post by Ghillieman 2/10/2018, 8:49 am

Has anyone shot the new P210 Target or seen 50 yards accuracy results? Handled one yesterday, very nice, tight, but all the test groups I see with them are at 25 yards.
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Post by atrfod 2/10/2018, 10:04 am

I'm curious about these as well.It might be blasphemy,but I only shoot 1911s when I absolutely have to.For the centerfire portion of an outdoor Bullseye match,I much prefer to shoot my wife's 52.One of these P210s might be what I'm looking for if it's OK at 50.-Mike

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Post by Amati 2/10/2018, 1:23 pm

A guy at a BE event had a brand new one right out of the box, $1,750.00 all in. I shot it but I prefer 55° angle grips. My take is that for that money one can buy a lightly used .32 Italian or German, that's what I'd do.

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Post by jmdavis 2/10/2018, 2:39 pm

I thought the original that I handled had a 50m test target.
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Post by JIMPGOV 2/10/2018, 6:10 pm

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THE NEW 210'S HAVE A DIFFERENT BARREL LOCK UP THAN THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS. I WAS TOLD THAT THEY ARE EXCELLENT GUNS , BUT NOT AS ACCURATE AS THE ORIGINALS. JP

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Post by robert84010 2/10/2018, 6:21 pm

Amati wrote:A guy at a BE event had a brand new one right out of the box, $1,750.00 all in. I shot it but I prefer 55° angle grips. My take is that for that money one can buy a lightly used .32 Italian or German, that's what I'd do.
A .32 Italian or German pistol does not qualify as a service pistol. Many people looking at these want to get a Distinguished badge with it.

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Post by orpheoet 2/10/2018, 8:13 pm

robert84010 wrote:
Amati wrote:A guy at a BE event had a brand new one right out of the box, $1,750.00 all in. I shot it but I prefer 55° angle grips. My take is that for that money one can buy a lightly used .32 Italian or German, that's what I'd do.
A .32 Italian or German pistol does not qualify as a service pistol. Many people looking at these want to get a Distinguished badge with it.
I looked into these. Trigger is too light out of the box, fiberoptic front sight, normal sig lock up instead of the browning style. I cancelled the one I had ordered...
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Post by JayhawkNavy02 2/10/2018, 8:49 pm

The target is at 25m and even though the groups are are 1/2 the distance, the US versions have about the same overall spread the Swiss targets were at 50m.  Several test targets I saw would barely hold the 10 ring but not X.  Small sample size.

I would send a Range Officer to Jon, KC, Dave, etc. well before I would drop $2000 on a P210 and then have to do an unknown amount of work to get it into shape.  The US versions are also using MIM parts.    The Swiss versions are so high priced its ludicrous.


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Post by Amati 2/10/2018, 8:52 pm

JayhawkNavy02 wrote:
I would send a Range Officer to Jon, KC, etc. well before I would drop $2000 on a P210 and then have to do an unknown amount of work to get it into shape.  The US versions are also using MIM parts.

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Post by orpheoet 2/10/2018, 9:38 pm

KC has my Beretta 92:)
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Post by Ghillieman 2/11/2018, 12:43 am

I found a video saying the trigger is adjustable but set at the factory and only supposed to be adjusted at the factory. So anyone familiar with firearms can figure out what needs to be adjusted to make the trigger lift 4 pounds. I mark my front sights anyways to give me something to concentrate on, the fiber optic did a good job of drawing my attention to it. I was a little concerned about the change in barrel lock up, but I remembered my Pardini GT had a lock up similar to the Sig and it shot incredible. I have a 32 caliber Pardini that can be used as a center fire gun, but I want to try a 9mm for NTI and P100.
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Post by daflorc 2/11/2018, 9:55 pm

I was told by an excellent competitive shooter who has done more work with 9mm at 50 yards than anyone I'm aware of that the new Sig P210's are the most accurate out of the box 9mm that you could buy, and that the fit and finish and trigger is amazing. Here's a screenshot of his post. He bought 2 of these guns and both shot like this, so it wasn't likely a fluke. 
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Post by daflorc 2/11/2018, 9:58 pm

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Post by zanemoseley 2/11/2018, 10:03 pm

So did he supposedly shoot that sub 1" group off hand? 1 or 2 hands? Hell I couldn't do that off a bag.

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Post by daflorc 2/11/2018, 10:36 pm

zanemoseley wrote:So did he supposedly shoot that sub 1" group off hand? 1 or 2 hands? Hell I couldn't do that off a bag.

He tests his different hand loads all off a rest. The pic of the group is to show the mechanical accuracy capability of the gun.

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Post by Slartybartfast 2/12/2018, 9:43 am

Why a 6 round group?
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Post by daflorc 2/12/2018, 11:49 am

Slartybartfast wrote:Why a 6 round group?
Possibly because of the issues he mentioned it was unlikely that he could do better than 6 rounds on that given day. If you've ever tried to accuracy test a gun/ammo at 50 yards with iron sights and no ransom rest, you know how difficult it can be.

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Post by Saladman 2/12/2018, 3:53 pm

If you didn't know, the P210 incorporated a removable trigger pack which the USA version incorporates.  At the factory it is adjusted, but I'm not sure in what way they specifically adjust it.  There is however a threaded rod around which sits the mainspring.  At the end of the rod is a bar which captures the spring, and to me this is the part that was adjusted at the factory.  The bar rotates easily and while I don't have a trigger scale handy, mine is now noticeably heavier and might just make 4 pounds. 

Here are the pics!  I have no idea if this is how you're "supposed" to adjust this trigger!

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Post by LSM 124 2/12/2018, 4:54 pm

You can buy these guns on GB any day of the week for $1400-1500.  And there is nothing intrinsically wrong with MIM.  Just like anything else, its goodness, or lack thereof, is in the execution.  Out of the box, I would bet good money that most p210's would best a 9mm RO.

I don't have own one yet, but like another poster, I am not particularly fond of 1911's.  To each his own. Shocked

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Post by JNW1 2/12/2018, 5:06 pm

Can you mount a red dot on a 210?

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Post by LSM 124 2/12/2018, 7:44 pm

These come with very nice, adjustable iron sights.  As far as I know, it is not drilled and tapped, and so far, I have yet to find a mount for a red dot.  However, I think these new American made guns will fast become popular (I have yet to read a negative thing about them - there are some real enthusiasts over on the Sig forum), so I think red dot mounts will soon be available.  I hope so anyway...that is one thing that is holding me back from buying one.

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