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Post by mikemyers on 7/8/2020, 8:29 pm

Half way through this morning's shooting, my Salyer Springfield stopped ejecting cases.
This gun started life as a Springfield 1911 A1 made in Brazil.

I brought it home, disassembled, and  found out why it's no longer extracting - see photo below.

I found replacement extractors on Brownell's, such as: 
     https://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/action-parts/extractor-parts/extractors/1911-match-extractor-prod1318.aspx 

For those of you who have gone through this already, is this likely to be a good choice, or would you recommend something else?
If paying a little more gets me an e extractor that performs better, that's fine with me.
I've watched the Wilson video on Extractor Tuning - I'm not anxious to do any of this extra work unless it's required.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dorzFGvYj40
I have a feeling the "Aftek Extractor" is more than I need to deal with.  It's $85.  https://dawsonprecision.com/extractors-1911-by-aftec/

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Oh yeah, one more photo - I guess I need to clean my extractor much more frequently.....
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You guys are likely going to take one look at this photo, and banish me from bullseye shooting......
Lesson Learned.
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Post by rreid on 7/8/2020, 9:57 pm

Not a cleaning issue.  Exact same thing happened on my Springfield at about 5000 rounds. Just a cheap part that gave out.
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Post by mikemyers on 7/8/2020, 10:21 pm

After a few more videos and a bit more reading,  also reading reviews, maybe this is as good a choice as any:
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1070110670
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Post by dronning on 7/8/2020, 10:47 pm

Check to see if any fired brass has this mark, it means your extractor wasn't fitted properly and was too long.  The mark may not be that apparent.  This will eventually cause any extractor to fail.

Note that some brass (usually off brand stuff) may have an out of spec extractor groove that can also cause an impact.
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Post by STEVE SAMELAK on 7/8/2020, 10:51 pm

The extractor in my loaded target springfield lasted for 48 rounds.
I now have several years of use with a machined bar stock part with no failure.
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Post by David R on 7/9/2020, 7:28 am

EGW makes a good one, so does Wilson.
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Post by mikemyers on 7/9/2020, 8:08 am

dronning wrote:Check to see if any fired brass has this mark, it means your extractor wasn't fitted properly and was too long.  The mark may not be that apparent.  This will eventually cause any extractor to fail.

Note that some brass (usually off brand stuff) may have an out of spec extractor groove that can also cause an impact.
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I think this is the explanation - a friend sent me the following in an email last night:  "There was a time in the past when SA made their extractors too long. If this was the situation you can find out by examining the brass you shot through it. There will be a ding on the tapered part just in front of the rim. This would cause metal fatigue and eventually a break. "




I ordered the Wilson extractor from Brownell's last night.  It has a lifetime warranty, all the reviews were positive, and it's likely to be a "drop in" part.  Midway had it, but the delivery time was several weeks.  Brownell's will get it to me early this coming week.
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Post by -TT- on 7/9/2020, 8:44 am

Too-long would also explain the crud buildup behind the front edge in that photo. Normally the rim contact would prevent it from ever happening.

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Post by STEVE SAMELAK on 7/9/2020, 8:47 am

Like most 1911 parts it will be drop inish..
You will still need to verify proper tension and be sure the hook area is dressed correctly.
It may also be proud of the slide rear face, which is mostly cosmetic and you have to be sure that it fits the firing pin stop.
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Post by spursnguns on 7/9/2020, 9:59 am

mikemyers wrote:
....and it's likely to be a "drop in" part....

Hello mikemyers,

Extractors may possibly "drop in" place but they must be fit/tuned to perform properly.  An incorrectly fit extractor will negatively impact function and accuracy.  If you don't have the tools (files, hones, scales, etcetera) or the skills, send it to a pistolsmith.

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Post by Aprilian on 7/9/2020, 10:15 am

Mike, check over at 1911 gunsmithing  forum for Steve in Allentown's extractor fitting guide - you will find ALL the answers there.https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=829865
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Post by mikemyers on 7/9/2020, 11:22 am

'Aprillian', that is a goldmine of relevant information.  I copied everything into a Microsoft Word file, so I can print it out and keep it handy.

Between that information, and the article by Tim Lau, so many things I puzzled about became clear.  I'm also glad I ordered the Wilson extractor.

(Would it be appropriate to post it here, giving credit to the website and the people involved?)
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Post by Aprilian on 7/9/2020, 1:47 pm

Steve is on here very occasionally and has shared that link in one of his posts.  Not sure if it is in this thread https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t14567-colt-1911s-bouncing-brass-off-my-forehead
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Post by mikemyers on 7/9/2020, 2:20 pm

Also, this:

http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=131
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Post by troystaten on 7/9/2020, 3:13 pm

My Springfield done by Salyer did the exact same thing as yours, not blaming Salyer I just think the OEM part was not that good. I replaced it with another one, probably EKG, it did need fitting but it has been fine ever since.  I don't think you will go wrong with EKG or Wilson but even the "drop in" part will need some fitting.  There are a lot of good posts on this forum about fitting and tuning an extractor for a 1911.  Some You tube videos as well but those are not all created equal.  Make yourself 5-6 dummy rounds and see how they function.

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Post by mikemyers on 7/9/2020, 3:59 pm

troystaten wrote:My Springfield done by Salyer did the exact same thing as yours, not blaming Salyer I just think the OEM part was not that good. I replaced it with another one, probably EKG, it did need fitting but it has been fine ever since.  I don't think you will go wrong with EKG or Wilson but even the "drop in" part will need some fitting.  There are a lot of good posts on this forum about fitting and tuning an extractor for a 1911.  Some You tube videos as well but those are not all created equal.  Make yourself 5-6 dummy rounds and see how they function.
From Aprillian:  
Mike, check over at 1911 gunsmithing  forum for Steve in Allentown's extractor fitting guide - you will find ALL the answers there.https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=829865

Making some dummy rounds sounds like a good idea.  Thanks!
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Post by troystaten on 7/9/2020, 5:19 pm

From Aprillian:  
Mike, check over at 1911 gunsmithing  forum for Steve in Allentown's extractor fitting guide - you will find ALL the answers there.https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=829865

Making some dummy rounds sounds like a good idea.  Thanks


Yes Aprllian, I figured the dummy rounds would be better than me cycling a bunch of live rounds through the gun while working on it in my garage:)  Just to further my caution I use Nickle plated brass and draw stripes on them with a sharpie to make sure they are easy to tell from the live ones.  


Thanks for the links for Steve's post.

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Post by jglenn21 on 7/9/2020, 6:07 pm

Look up some of Jerry Keefer's work on extractors..very straight forward and to the point
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Post by blindshooter on 7/9/2020, 8:14 pm

I have two SA .45's and both extractors were too long. Replaced one and the other I was able to reshape the nose to clear the case bevel.

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Post by bruce martindale on 7/9/2020, 9:00 pm

Mike, awesome find on your links

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Post by orpheoet on 7/10/2020, 3:04 am

I have 2 Salyers built on Springfields. The Trophy Match is going strong with the original extractor and probably 30K rounds. The RO extractor broke after about 5k. Replaced with a Wilson Combat and no issues.
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Post by Al on 7/10/2020, 9:00 am

My 22 yr old loaded Brazilian Springfield is still going strong at over 82,000 on the original firing pin & extractor. However truth be told it's all my fault. I had an extra firing pin & tuned extractor fitted when I had the wadgun made. Everyone knows that if you have replacement parts ready, they never break Smile

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Post by mikemyers on 7/10/2020, 7:14 pm

Al wrote:........I had an extra firing pin & tuned extractor fitted when I had the wadgun made......
That's a very smart idea!
If I ever order a new gun to be built for me, I'll remember this.
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Post by Sa-tevp on 7/10/2020, 8:29 pm

Al wrote:My 22 yr old loaded Brazilian Springfield is still going strong at over 82,000 on the original firing pin & extractor. However truth be told it's all my fault. I had an extra firing pin & tuned extractor fitted when I had the wadgun made. Everyone knows that if you have replacement parts ready, they never break Smile

Not quite a new idea and found using a search engine: Ed Hall: 6 Sep 2004 Re: [Bullseye-L] Spare Parts
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Post by STEVE SAMELAK on 7/10/2020, 9:41 pm

How many zeros in a brazilian?
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