Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
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Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
I'm planning my trip to the National Matches in 2023. Typically there's a service pistol EIC on the schedule the day before the NTI and P100. I don't see it there anymore. I'm hoping this is an accidental omission, but I know I'm probably wrong. I sent CMP an email but haven't received a response.
There's so few pistol EIC matches that are big enough to award more than a single six point leg, it would be a real shame to see that match disappear. Anyone have any insight?
There's so few pistol EIC matches that are big enough to award more than a single six point leg, it would be a real shame to see that match disappear. Anyone have any insight?
spaatz1644- Posts : 32
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
Yes. I contacted Jim Henderson who's in charge of the pistol program. No service pistol match this year. He knows people are disappointed so there will likely be one in 2023.
mspingeld- Admin
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Thanks for the info!
I know when it comes to schedule changes you can't make everyone happy. And in the highpower rifle world, complaining about the schedule is part of the hobby. I don't want to be that guy...but that match is pretty essential. Multiple legs and hard legs are so rare everywhere else, I really hope they get it back on there for 2023.
I know when it comes to schedule changes you can't make everyone happy. And in the highpower rifle world, complaining about the schedule is part of the hobby. I don't want to be that guy...but that match is pretty essential. Multiple legs and hard legs are so rare everywhere else, I really hope they get it back on there for 2023.
spaatz1644- Posts : 32
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
There's still the NTI. All awards are 10 point hard legs!
mspingeld- Admin
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
The best way to get more chances at leg points is to bring friends to shoot EIC matches.
chiz1180- Posts : 1518
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
UNBELIEVABLE! No NTI match, really? Wowmspingeld wrote:Yes. I contacted Jim Henderson who's in charge of the pistol program. No service pistol match this year. He knows people are disappointed so there will likely be one in 2023.
Jon
Jon Eulette- Posts : 4399
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
Hold on guys ... there will be an NTI match where you can get leg points, just not an additional leg match like in years past https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vjnhrOJCo5Toyeo_EuDVBz_gYWGWl6X236yVXqpIHro/edit
Zippy- Posts : 53
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
The NTI is still on.
Since about 2008 or so they ran an additional standard EIC match. It used to be on Monday of pistol week. Last year they ran it on 45 day in the afternoon before the teams match.
Since about 2008 or so they ran an additional standard EIC match. It used to be on Monday of pistol week. Last year they ran it on 45 day in the afternoon before the teams match.
Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
The NTI and the Service Pistol,EIC matches are separate. Both can get you points toward distinguished.
Wobbley- Admin
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
Taking that EIC match out is really missing the point. But, I can still shoot my Glock, or a Pop Up match. Meh
Arthur- Posts : 156
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
mspingeld wrote:Yes. I contacted Jim Henderson who's in charge of the pistol program. No service pistol match this year. He knows people are disappointed so there will likely be one in 2023.
wow, that's unbelievable
ghtt782- Posts : 10
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
Back when I was chasing leg points, this would have been really crushing news. They have to put this back in next year.
Lightfoot- Posts : 230
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
I was planning Perry over Atterbury 2023 for the points opportunity. Just got my Rock River Hardball for the occasion. I hope they bring it back by then.
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
I’m not sure that’s a great name considering the boneheads we’ve had as VP over the years…bruce martindale wrote:We called it the Vice Presidents 100...
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
The VP100 was the Service Pistol Warmup Match from 2009-2014 which fired the P100 course of fire (Slow, Slow, Timed, Rapid). Then in 2015 it became a regular EIC match.
Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
Christina at the CMP finally responded to me, and told me the match is not likely to return. I politely let her know how disappointing that is. Those of you chasing service pistol points might want to do the same.
spaatz1644- Posts : 32
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
It may just be time restraints with additional events already planned like the Glockenspiel match.
james r chapman- Admin
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
The match in question wasn't there when I was looking for points. Then it was. Now it isn't. Things change.
Support your local regional / state matches if you can.
Points will come to those that train rather than practice.
CR
Support your local regional / state matches if you can.
Points will come to those that train rather than practice.
CR
CR10X- Posts : 1777
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
Well in that case, admin, might as well just delete the thread.
spaatz1644- Posts : 32
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
Nah, we welcome useful questions.
Also recall that prior to 2020 the CMP was only responsible for a few weekend events, not a full National Championship. (if memory serves)
Also recall that prior to 2020 the CMP was only responsible for a few weekend events, not a full National Championship. (if memory serves)
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james r chapman wrote:Nah, we welcome useful questions.
Also recall that prior to 2020 the CMP was only responsible for a few weekend events, not a full National Championship. (if memory serves)
And I applaud them for taking on the 2700 championship, and don't want to come across as a complainer or insist they make me happy. That said, .22 and centerfire day have their respective 900s, team matches, and eic matches. The eic being dropped from .45 day seemed like an accidental oversight rather than an intentional omission.
And to CR...I apologize for my snotty response earlier. BUT I don't see why any of us should support the idea of less matches rather than ask for more matches. That particular EIC match was the second best in the country, and one of the very few matches that offers multiple hard legs. It's a robust match with strong support and a real cherry-on-top to the National Matches. And I guarantee you would have a different view of that match when you were chasing points had it been available at the time. Particularly if the DP badge was your main pursuit, and you were traveling to Perry from Arizona.
Lastly, I dabble in a little of everything. I shoot service rifle and smallbore too. I only get the chance to make it to Perry every couple years, and I decided 2023 would be a pistol year. My main pursuit with a pistol is the Distinguished Badge and the idea of two huge pistol eic matches on back to back days is a huge draw for me...and probably a couple hundred people as well.
Regardless, come 2023, I hope to meet some of you there.
spaatz1644- Posts : 32
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
No apologies needed. And if my response seemed "unconcerned", I apologize. I always support more matches, but the EIC matches are a slightly different animal.
My point, although somewhat hidden, is that I see a lot of people chasing points by shooting matches and trying to find matches with lots of points available. (I've been running matches and shooting for way too many years.) Quantity in the number of matches will not make up for quality and preparation when actually shooting an EIC match (or anything like DP, DR, SR, D22, etc.)
The way to get points is to get to where we're shooting +285 (287 is even better) on a somewhat consistent basis and then get some match experience (mental training for competing in a "one chance" match). That requires more training and structured process than just shooting matches.
Good luck on your journey and I hope you get there soon!!!
CR
My point, although somewhat hidden, is that I see a lot of people chasing points by shooting matches and trying to find matches with lots of points available. (I've been running matches and shooting for way too many years.) Quantity in the number of matches will not make up for quality and preparation when actually shooting an EIC match (or anything like DP, DR, SR, D22, etc.)
The way to get points is to get to where we're shooting +285 (287 is even better) on a somewhat consistent basis and then get some match experience (mental training for competing in a "one chance" match). That requires more training and structured process than just shooting matches.
Good luck on your journey and I hope you get there soon!!!
CR
CR10X- Posts : 1777
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
And, according to the match program schedule, there will be a .22 EIC match and Service Pistol EIC match on Tuesday July 19th during the NRA Pistol Championship at Camp Atterbury.
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Re: Service Pistol EIC at the National Matches
Spazz, have you though about trying to shoot the triple crown when you come up to Ohio?spaatz1644 wrote:james r chapman wrote:Nah, we welcome useful questions.
Also recall that prior to 2020 the CMP was only responsible for a few weekend events, not a full National Championship. (if memory serves)
And I applaud them for taking on the 2700 championship, and don't want to come across as a complainer or insist they make me happy. That said, .22 and centerfire day have their respective 900s, team matches, and eic matches. The eic being dropped from .45 day seemed like an accidental oversight rather than an intentional omission.
And to CR...I apologize for my snotty response earlier. BUT I don't see why any of us should support the idea of less matches rather than ask for more matches. That particular EIC match was the second best in the country, and one of the very few matches that offers multiple hard legs. It's a robust match with strong support and a real cherry-on-top to the National Matches. And I guarantee you would have a different view of that match when you were chasing points had it been available at the time. Particularly if the DP badge was your main pursuit, and you were traveling to Perry from Arizona.
Lastly, I dabble in a little of everything. I shoot service rifle and smallbore too. I only get the chance to make it to Perry every couple years, and I decided 2023 would be a pistol year. My main pursuit with a pistol is the Distinguished Badge and the idea of two huge pistol eic matches on back to back days is a huge draw for me...and probably a couple hundred people as well.
Regardless, come 2023, I hope to meet some of you there.
You want big EIC matches? The Cardinal, Canton, Camp Perry are the three largest pistol matches in the country. And all have .22 EIC, SP and cardinal and camp perry will have the new Service Revolver while Canton will have the NRA Distinguished Revolver.
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