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Why no LPP's in the market yet?

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Post by RoyDean Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:22 pm

I am seeing offers for several brands of "white box" 9mm (and other popular caliber) ammo from several vendors at close to pre-C19 prices. And recently there are imported SPP's from several vendors appearing, not yet close to pre-C19, but much less than peak "gouger" prices.

No Large Primers - I wonder why the makers/vendors are not moving to fill what must be a significant pent-up demand?

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Post by shanneba Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:32 pm

Midway has Fed LP primers in stock, $99.99 / 1000 limit 5000
Federal Large Pistol Primers #150 Box of 1000 (10 Trays of 100) (midwayusa.com)

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Post by dannyd93140 Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:50 pm

It's not a very big demand at all because military doesn't use LLP's in anything any more and the rest of the world looks like 9mm ville.  That's why many venders have moved to 45 ACP with small primers.  The SPP work good and most of the with the same bullet and powder charge.
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Post by S148 Wed Jul 12, 2023 6:32 pm

lots of them here;

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/large-pistol-primers-c-2809.aspx


powder valley has them.  grafs has them.

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Post by Asa Yam Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:34 pm

dannyd93140 wrote:It's not a very big demand at all because military doesn't use LLP's in anything any more and the rest of the world looks like 9mm ville.
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Still a heck of a lot of .45 ACP firearms in Special Warfare armories, many of which you do not want to feed ammo loaded in 1943.  (i.E, Corrosive or mercuric primed ball ammo.)  Just because LC isn't loading .45 Auto does not mean there is no demand for the ammo, recently, there were a few contracts to Winchester and Federal for variants of this round.

In the civilian market, I still know of no manufacturers making 10 mm and 44 Magnum brass that uses small primers.  Trying to remember which magnum capacity pistol cases that are designed to be used with Small Rifle Primers.  (Think .454 Casull is one.)  There is still demand for large pistol primers, manufacturers might be trying to keep up with demand for bulk quantities of 9 mm and 40 S&W and meeting that demand first?

Best advice for the present:  Hold back on Final Protective Fire practice until the primer situation improves. 
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Post by WesG Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:23 am

357 Max, 40k, uses SRP. Hornady shows a Rem 7-1/2. 327 Fed, 45k, is listed as a SPM, but Hornady shows a F205.

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Post by SingleActionAndrew Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:29 am

Vista, CCI/Blazer 10mm cases have been small pistol for a couple years. I bought a few thousand assorted range brass and 10+% were small pistol in 10mm with other headstamps too.

Fiocchi I expect will start making less and less LPP as they do not have a LPP lead free product (they do have SPP, SRP and I hear now LRP LF primers)
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Post by dannyd93140 Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:12 am

I switched to loading 45 ACP with small primers and my 44 magnum TC gets shot every couple of years, but I switched to LRP for a better standard deviation.

I hope I am wrong, but on the ranges I go to 9mm has taken over and only once in a while do I see a 40 or any of the magnums.  And most of those people use store purchased ammunition.

I definitely hope the manufacturers keep making everything, I just don't see that much used at the ranges.
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Post by Wobbley Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:15 am

I know a commercial reloader and the amount of 9mm he loads is staggering easily exceeding 45 Auto and 38 special COMBINED.  The others (357, 40, 10mm etc) barely even register.
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Post by Cmysix Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:28 pm

Powder valley still has them and the price ain't bad LPP 90 a thousand and magnums 95  compared to what they have been
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Post by Eindecker Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:16 pm

Wobbley wrote:I know a commercial reloader and the amount of 9mm he loads is staggering easily exceeding 45 Auto and 38 special COMBINED.  The others (357, 40, 10mm etc) barely even register.


On the internet you can find photographs of ammunition TRAINS leaving the factory that are alluded to be 30 box car loaded with nothing but 38 special wadcutter loads.. 

Ive seen partial documents showing how much it would cost for a police department to purchase a single box car of 38 special.

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Post by WesG Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:05 am

Cops shoot 38's?

Umm ... yeah ... sure ...

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Post by BE Mike Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:36 am

Eindecker wrote:
Wobbley wrote:I know a commercial reloader and the amount of 9mm he loads is staggering easily exceeding 45 Auto and 38 special COMBINED.  The others (357, 40, 10mm etc) barely even register.


On the internet you can find photographs of ammunition TRAINS leaving the factory that are alluded to be 30 box car loaded with nothing but 38 special wadcutter loads.. 

Ive seen partial documents showing how much it would cost for a police department to purchase a single box car of 38 special.
It was on the internet. It must be true! Rolling Eyes
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Post by ermakevin Fri Jul 21, 2023 11:41 am

shanneba wrote:Midway has Fed LP primers in stock, $99.99 / 1000 limit 5000
Federal Large Pistol Primers #150 Box of 1000 (10 Trays of 100) (midwayusa.com)
out of stock no back order crap
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Post by dannyd93140 Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:45 pm

This web site usually has where to find primers and reviews of the sellers 

https://ammoseek.com/

Click on the down arrow to the right of the reloading tab.
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Post by RoyDean Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:14 pm

Interesting, I had not searched AmmoSeek for primers for some time. The cheapest LPP's on offer are Murom brand, that name is new to me, for about $70/1000 + shipping. Seems that they are made in Russia in same complex as Tula brand (a few years ago, before I got serious with Bullseye, I used to buy Tula 9mm, very inexpensive and went bang just as good as any other "white box" brand, IMHO).

So now there are Russian made primers being imported and openly sold in the USA. Really! I thought that there are trade embargoes and all kind of restrictions that would apply to most Russian goods - surely ammunition and components would feature high on those lists.

Amazing.

No doubt someone will follow this post with reports of videos on the Internet apparently depicting train loads of Russian primers/ammo destined for US Military/LEO. 
lol!

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Post by dannyd93140 Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:53 pm

I have used 2,880 Murom small pistol primers without any problems.
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Post by RodJ Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:15 pm

Roy,
I’m reminded of the Ukrainian Rail Service response to a Russian train requesting to connect to Ukrainian rail for “humanitarian purposes” last year early in the war.
lol!

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Post by BE Mike Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:54 pm

I think that TargetSports and Powder Valley both have LPP of a few different brands. If you want them, you'll have to pay up!
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Post by shanneba Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:51 pm

ermakevin wrote:
shanneba wrote:Midway has Fed LP primers in stock, $99.99 / 1000 limit 5000
Federal Large Pistol Primers #150 Box of 1000 (10 Trays of 100) (midwayusa.com)
out of stock no back order crap

Midway has them back in stock today.

Midway has Fed LP primers in stock, $99.99 / 1000 limit 5000
Federal Large Pistol Primers #150 Box of 1000 (10 Trays of 100) (midwayusa.com)

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Post by hengehold Sat Jul 22, 2023 7:37 pm

S148 wrote:lots of them here;

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/large-pistol-primers-c-2809.aspx


powder valley has them.  grafs has them.
I have never heard of targetsportsusa.com

Can anyone here vouch for its legitimacy? 

-Trevor

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Post by RoyDean Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:04 pm

Trevor.

Very reputable. No problem.

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Post by Black_Talon Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:35 pm

hengehold wrote:
I have never heard of targetsportsusa.com

Can anyone here vouch for its legitimacy? 

-Trevor

I buy from them all the time. 100% legit.
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Post by Pinetree Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:54 pm

Frequent customer here too.. free shipping on 22LR as well.

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Post by hengehold Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:08 pm

dannyd93140 wrote:This web site usually has where to find primers and reviews of the sellers 

https://ammoseek.com/

Click on the down arrow to the right of the reloading tab.

Also plenty of primers found via ammoseek at Miwallcorp.com 

1. Can anyone vouch for that as a valid business?

2. I have not used Rem 2 1/2 LPP yet. Is there any reason these are not well suited for BE match ammo?

Thanks,

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